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notihnio 09-02-2013 03:56 AM

Native multylib support on Slackware64
 
Hello slackers,

I believe that PV should seriously think about native multylib support on next Slackware64 releases. What's your opinion?

Thanks

onebuck 09-02-2013 05:33 AM

Member Response
 
Hi,

I really do not see the reasoning behind providing multilib for Slackware64 as a release. Why bastardize Slackware64, not everyone will need 32-bit support for their system. If so then a user can always follow instructions.

Slackware is not a hold your hand distribution and thankfully never will be!

You as a user have the means to install or build a system as you wish with Slackware and that is because Slackware's design is solid.

Alien Bob 09-02-2013 06:04 AM

The deal I struck with Pat when I created the 64-bit version of Slackware, was that Slackware64 would be pure 64-bit, and that I would be maintaining a multilib layer on top in my own repository, independent from Slackware.
This was a design decision by Pat, and there is no indication that this design will change in future.

Eric

GazL 09-02-2013 06:23 AM

The problem with things like multilib are that while it is a useful transitional aid, its mere existence tends to deter transition (the "people can always use the 32bit version so there's no need for us to make a native version" factor)

I don't want multilib on my system - in fact I'd sooner have the native 64bit stuff in /lib where it belongs rather than the /lib64 necessary to support multilib.

Raveriux 09-02-2013 06:36 AM

I think would be better to have posibbility include slackpkg+ in installer under dialog " Do you want to enable third party repositories and multilib?"

TobiSGD 09-02-2013 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notihnio (Post 5020148)
Hello slackers,

I believe that PV should seriously think about native multylib support on next Slackware64 releases. What's your opinion?

Thanks

Nope, I am fine with my 64 bit systems. If you want multilib it nowadays is as simple as using slackpkg+ or phenixia's multilib/compat32 tools. In fact, other distros are steering away from being multilib by default, in newer Ubuntu and Debian versions you have to enable it explicitly.

chemfire 09-02-2013 07:29 AM

I think if there was a time to ship multilib by default or even to devote resources to automation of adding it in, it was back in the 13.x days. Not including it made Slackware cleaner and in many was caused fewer problems with paths in build tools and the likes early on in the 64 bit transition, so over all it was the right call.

Back then there were projects that made assumptions about word sizes, address sizes, and alignments. It would have been helpful a few years ago but much less so now, almost all the open source stuff is cleaned up.

At this point 32-bit compatibility is needed for pretty much wine, and some browser plugins. I can't imagine there are all that many native binaries floating around anymore that don't also need ancient versions of libraries, making multilib alone a less than complete solution.

Eric has done fantastic work supporting multilib! At this stage in the game I find it easier to keep a stripped down 32-bit install runnable in a Linux Container (LXC) for those few items that have to stay i486. That way everything living in the container can just be static. Once its all working you leave it alone.

What are others using 32-bit for at this point? Other than the obvious wine, steam, skype?

PrinceCruise 09-02-2013 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemfire (Post 5020243)
What are others using 32-bit for at this point? Other than the obvious wine, steam, skype?

Hardware limitation is one factor, crucial in my eyes.

Regards.

phenixia2003 09-02-2013 08:03 AM

Hello,

Users who want multilib out of the box can also use mk-slack64-multilib to create their own slackware64/multilib DVD/ISO (here is a sample usage). This is particularly useful for users who want to install slackware64/multilib on more than one machine. Furthermore, mk-slack64-multilib automatically adds the following 3rd party tools into the serie AP : multilibpkg, compat32pkg and slackpkg+.

Cheers.

--
SeB

chemfire 09-02-2013 09:05 AM

PrinceCruise, I was asking in the context of running Slackware64 and multilib; which implies you're on a x86_64 arch. I am interested in what has people still running 32bit software on an otherwise 64bit hardware/software platform.

Outside the obvious what is out there the typical Slackware user is running that:

Is only available as a 32bit binary?

Has source available but either does not compile or is broken on 64-bit?

Performs markedly better built for x86?

Has problems sharing data with x86 versions?

I ask this because its been a long time since I have really run across anything that can't go native x86_64; except WINE, and a couple previously mentioned binary releases. I am just curious is all.

yilez 09-02-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemfire (Post 5020296)
Outside the obvious what is out there the typical Slackware user is running that:

Is only available as a 32bit binary?

Has source available but either does not compile or is broken on 64-bit?

Performs markedly better built for x86?

Has problems sharing data with x86 versions?

For me, some games that I got through humble bundle, wine, and skype.

Saying that, I hate using skype, and I don't use my linux boxes for gaming any more, so that pretty much rules out using wine too.

Multilib is only there for Skype now.

As soon as I no longer need Skype, I will do a swift clean reinstallation.

guanx 09-02-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by yilez (Post 5020305)
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As soon as I no longer need Skype, I will do a swift clean reinstallation.

Very likely your hardware is capable of running skype without noticable slowdown in a virtual machine.

riwi 09-02-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemfire (Post 5020243)
What are others using 32-bit for at this point? Other than the obvious wine, steam, skype?

I needed multilib for Twonky (mediaserver). It ships with binaries only. It's a commercial product.

Jeebizz 09-02-2013 10:55 AM

I'm kinda on the fence with multilib, I have no problem setting up multilib myself, but perhaps at one point during the installation there should be an option to add multilib to the system, or maybe the best option is to have have a multilib in /extra.

--edit.

Actually /extra might be the best option IMHO. :)

TobiSGD 09-02-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemfire (Post 5020243)
At this stage in the game I find it easier to keep a stripped down 32-bit install runnable in a Linux Container (LXC) for those few items that have to stay i486.

That sounds interesting. Is it possible to run GUI applications (read: games) from such a container?


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