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Old 07-09-2006, 10:14 PM   #1
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Madwifi: powermanagement for card itself, need tips please


Hi all,

I'm using madwifi latest, was wondering if anyone had any pointers for me to get "powermanagement" on the card itself? I see my card is listed as "powermanagement enabled" no, which is default install of madwifi/compile from source. Anyone have any advice how I get started on that, tips, etc. A good link might help, been googling for a while still nothing in particular.

thank you in advance.

fogie.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 07:38 AM   #2
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I see my card is listed as "powermanagement enabled" no
Just try "iwconfig devicename power on" and see if it spits out errors.
If none, then look at "man iwconfig" for settings.
Checked the Madwifi Wiki, it hasn't got docs on power management.
 
Old 07-12-2006, 05:01 AM   #3
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I've been keying in different things all nite restarting wireless, as wireless comes on line in console I get powermanage ok 'echos' but when I do iwconfig to see my card it says the same thing.

I have netgear wg511t that does XR and turbo G and I cant get that either.

I've tried:
iwpriv mode 3
iwpriv turbo 1

both in console and again, iwconfig lists no change, me still stuck at 54M and I have a netgear wireless for this.

i've tried them in console, in /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf and in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf too.

also did the power manage in their and no luck.
the wiki is there is really depracted now, I'm not sure if i need to go HAL on the laptop or what.

when I do type in "iwconfig power off" i get an error at boot up saying that the "SET" command is no good too.

oh well, it's a shame, as without a wireless card, I get 6 hrs batter. with wireless i get 3 hours, big diffrence.

and slack doesnt really listen to well to /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia stop or 'cardctl sleep'
 
Old 07-12-2006, 09:35 AM   #4
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without a wireless card, I get 6 hrs batter. with wireless i get 3 hours
Huge difference. Well, if you're that anxious to torture your battery I'd get on the Madwifi mailinglist for this prob.
 
Old 07-12-2006, 06:57 PM   #5
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yeah, I wonder if the drivers "know" i can "xr" extended range and have my power bumped way up?

regarding mailing list there, I have, and sent emails and for 2 mo's have no replies
 
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yeah, I wonder if the drivers "know" i can "xr" extended range and have my power bumped way up?
I guess some "special" features don't work until the driver matures. If it's capable you should see them with "iwpriv devicename|grep get_" I think.


regarding mailing list there, I have, and sent emails and for 2 mo's have no replies
That sucks. Tried their bugzilla as a last resort?
 
Old 07-14-2006, 12:40 AM   #7
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just an update, I decide to pull out my madwifi and try a newer version.

anyway, while running make, I got error's echoed on my screen related to all of these commands that I'm trying to use. but, the make completed, make install went fine, and I had wireless and I had the same issue, I could not "set" these values.

so I pulled out the new version then, and re-made my old version which i was using and got a few of these error's there too.

I must have hit "make" and walked away the first time around.

Interestingly enough, the errors begin after a part in the make routine is echoed for ath_hal...which leads me to think it's looking for "HAL" which slackware doesnt have; neither do I.

So I guess HAL is required for these advanced features, and I should be glad that I can get wireless at all.

I just cant seem to find anywhere on their site saying that if you want advanced features you need "HAL"; so I'm not sure.
 
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HAL means Hardware Abstraction Layer and is one of the modules (ath_hal) that always must be loaded.
Can you post *exact* error messages?
 
Old 07-18-2006, 05:38 PM   #9
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Hi all,

I've got my screen output when I run make on the wifi drivers that show the errors for hal that I get.

Quote:
Checking requirements... ok.
Checking kernel configuration... ok.
if [ -d .svn ]; then \
ver=`svnversion -nc . | sed -e 's/^[^:]*://;s/[A-Za-z]//'`; \
echo "#define SVNVERSION \"svn r$ver\"" > svnversion.h; \
elif [ -s SNAPSHOT ]; then \
ver=`sed -e '/^Revision: */!d;s///;q' SNAPSHOT`; \
echo "#define SVNVERSION \"svn r$ver\"" > svnversion.h; \
fi; \

mkdir -p ./symbols
for i in ./ath_hal ./net80211 ath_rate/sample ./ath; do \
make -C $i || exit 1; \
done
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal'
cp -f ./../hal/public/i386-elf.opt_ah.h opt_ah.h
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/build SUBDIRS=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal MODVERDIR=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/../symbols modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o
HOSTCC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/uudecode
echo "deps_/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/i386-elf.hal.o :=" >/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/.i386-elf.hal.o.cmd
/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/uudecode -o /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/i386-elf.hal.o /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/../hal/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/ath_hal.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/ath_hal.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal/ath_hal.ko
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_hal'
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/build SUBDIRS=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211 MODVERDIR=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/../symbols modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/if_media.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_beacon.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_crypto.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_none.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_input.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_node.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_output.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_power.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_proto.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_scan.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_wireless.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_linux.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_monitor.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_acl.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_ccmp.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_scan_ap.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_scan_sta.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_tkip.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_wep.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/ieee80211_xauth.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_wep.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_tkip.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_ccmp.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_acl.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_xauth.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_sta.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_ap.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_acl.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_acl.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_ccmp.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_ccmp.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_ap.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_ap.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_sta.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_scan_sta.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_tkip.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_tkip.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_wep.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_wep.ko
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_xauth.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211/wlan_xauth.ko
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/net80211'
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/build SUBDIRS=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample MODVERDIR=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/../../symbols modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/sample.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST
WARNING: "ieee80211_iterate_nodes" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_computetxtime" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ether_sprintf" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.ko] undefined!
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample/ath_rate_sample.ko
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath_rate/sample'
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/build SUBDIRS=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath MODVERDIR=/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/../symbols modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/if_ath.o
CC [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/if_ath_pci.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.o
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST
WARNING: "ath_hal_getwirelessmodes" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_setupxtxdesc" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_newstate" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_find_txnode" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_getrssi" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_chan2mode" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_crypto_encap" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_dturbo_switch" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_init_channels" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_findrate" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_node_init" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_state_name" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_chan2ieee" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_mark_dfs" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_announce" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_vap_detach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_start_running" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_media_status" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_input_all" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_wme_acnames" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_create_vap" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_detach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_send_qosnulldata" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_node_cleanup" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_probe" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_ibss_merge" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_vap_attach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_iterate_nodes" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_getcfframe" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_beacon_alloc" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_beacon_miss" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_media_change" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_crypto_delkey" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_note" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_cipher_none" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_detach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_stop_running" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_mhz2ieee" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_dfs_test_return" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_ioctl_create_vap" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_dump_pkt" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_crypto_setkey" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_crypto_newkey" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_hal_computetxtime" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_newassoc" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_input_monitor" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_free_node" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_ifdetach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_vap_setup" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ether_sprintf" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_attach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_find_rxnode" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_find_channel" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_beacon_update" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "_ath_hal_attach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_ifattach" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_input" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ieee80211_encap" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
WARNING: "ath_rate_tx_complete" [/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko] undefined!
CC /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.mod.o
LD [M] /root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath/ath_pci.ko
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.4'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/ath'
make -C ./tools all || exit 1
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/tools'
gcc -o athstats -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. -I../ath athstats.c
gcc -o 80211stats -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. 80211stats.c
gcc -o athkey -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. athkey.c
gcc -o athchans -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. athchans.c
gcc -o athctrl -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. athctrl.c
gcc -o athdebug -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. athdebug.c
gcc -o 80211debug -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. 80211debug.c
gcc -o wlanconfig -g -O2 -Wall -include ../include/compat.h -I. -I../hal -I.. wlanconfig.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/sources/madwifi-0.9.0/tools'
 
Old 07-19-2006, 06:00 AM   #10
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From the madwifi release notes for 0.9.1:

Quote:
Improved build system. MadWifi now build without problems against linux 2.6.17 and newer, plus misc fixes to the kernel patch system
I went on holiday before I had the chance to build a package for 0.9.1 :-)

Eric
 
Old 07-19-2006, 08:54 AM   #11
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wow, a new version already. those guys move fast! thanks eric.

yeah I'm able to run with the madwifi but now power manage, or rate control, but I'm gonna give that a shot today hopefully and see how it goes.

regarding holiday: it's been a while for me, and a long time since I was in france. gorgeous countryside I'm sure you had a great time.
 
Old 07-19-2006, 05:01 PM   #12
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Hi all,

So far, so good! The new driver ran make, and make install w/out error's of any kind for me on 2.6.17.4 kernel.

Now I'm off to try and play w/power settings and rate settings, hopefully they will work too.

Oh Eric, btw, I key my access point's mac address in with the
IWCONFIG="ap xx:xx:xx:xx" into /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf and that seems to take care of me hooking up to any router w/hidden access point using wpa-psk tkip. Just thought you might like that feedback for your wiki, such as 'some people say they can get this to work with ...mileage may vary" comment.

Bye for now.
 
Old 07-19-2006, 07:03 PM   #13
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I key my access point's mac address in with the
IWCONFIG="ap xx:xx:xx:xx" into /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf and that seems to take care of me hooking up to any router w/hidden access point using wpa-psk tkip. Just thought you might like that feedback for your wiki, such as 'some people say they can get this to work with ...mileage may vary" comment.
That is a good one to note.
BTW we're up to the same number of posts now, only you've been going at it for a mere four months :-) You really hammer that keyboard hard.

Cheers, Eric
 
Old 07-19-2006, 10:48 PM   #14
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lol eric, you know my mother always told me I talk to much.

will the scripts in slackware work for madwifi for these paramaters?

iwpriv mode 3
iwpriv turbo 1

according to the tips section on madwifi's site those will allow me to get the super g 108 rates my card does.

the scripts that you wrote, the one's built into slackware, will they work with those paramters? do i simply key them into the IWPRIV section on the /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf file?

thanks in advance.
 
Old 07-20-2006, 06:50 AM   #15
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will the scripts in slackware work for madwifi for these paramaters?

iwpriv mode 3
iwpriv turbo 1

according to the tips section on madwifi's site those will allow me to get the super g 108 rates my card does.

the scripts that you wrote, the one's built into slackware, will they work with those paramters? do i simply key them into the IWPRIV section on the /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf file?

thanks in advance.
Yes they should. Try adding the parameters as one long string in one IWPRIV statement:

Code:
IWPRIV="mode=3 turbo=1"
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