Looks like the missing SystemD support WILL BE a showstopper for using X.org 1.16...
Read and cry, my fellow die-hard Slackers!
http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-dev...ry/040117.html The response at question "WTF is that patch about?": X.org's DBUS is dead (i.e. kiss goodbye to plug and play mouses and keyboards), long live X.org's SystemD!* My bet is on that SystemD support will arrive on X.org server version 1.16, which will be released on this summer... BTW, I said that KDBUS (yep! you are right! It's about SystemD's D-BUS, at the kernel level) patches now wait on the Kernel.org RFCs? ---- * That is the sincere opinion of Hans de Goede, the patch author... :hattip: |
It's a pull request. It hasn't been accepted yet.
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But, I'm afraid that it hasn't been accepted yet, but will be... :hattip: My reason is that, now, how UDEV is just a part of SystemD, direct communication with the UDEV devices via SystemD, will be an appealing solution for X.org developers, also offering support for the "modern" authentication method. |
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It's a virus! And a very arrogant one...
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Please...
When you want to spread FUD, at least make sure you're backed up with facts otherwise it's just... FUD. Let's read the commit message which accompanies the "config: drop the dbus API": Code:
config: drop the dbus API Eric |
Only PV decides what's in Slackware anyway, so personally I'll just wait and see. I don't feel the need to worry about an event of which I don't know if it it will occur and when, especially if I have no way to prevent it nor to forecast its consequences ;)
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After a lightning review of the patch-set, it appears an entirely optional (--enable-systemd-logind) layer. I then confirmed this by chatting with an Xorg dev.
Let's not forget Xorg still has to support non-systemd Linux, Solaris, BSDs, and others, so a hard dependency on systemd seems quite unlikely. --mancha |
Xorg can't remove dbus support or they'll destroy compatibility and piss off the entire Branded UNIX community that sponsors and financially supports most of their developments.
HP, Oracle, VMware and various other sponsors all heavily fund xorg to give proper x11 implementations. It'd be a shame to have all that funding dry up and force another fork of x11 over yet another bad decision. Plus if that funding dries up, then that would effectively kill wayland which is their biggest pending project. If Xorg goes down, there's no tell who would pick up development, but for example if Oracle took over, chances are anything could happen, and who knows what could become of future UNIX, BSD, and Linux x11 related developments. Quote:
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Basically if your an angel in the real world you have a license to destroy Linux/UNIX's heritage, but if you did something bad in the real world your code is banished for all eternity even tho it doesn't break any fundamentals. Good call guys, if this patch makes it through I'll be reverting any systemd related code that is thrown into xorg and I will be releasing it as a fork. it's time someone says no to being force fed the "creations" (if thats what you can call them) of Poettering. Before someone asks if I am anti-systemd YES! very much so, in fact if there were an anti-system foundation I would probly be the founder! I agree 1000000000000000% with this article. http://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linux |
I'd rather be locked in a room with Hans Reiser than Lennart Poettering any day. Lennart might not make it out alive... While me and Hans have coffee and chat over file system methodology.
I honestly think more of Hans than I do Lennart, more highly and respected too. Lennart even makes dumpster scum like Bill Gates looks decent, admirable, and praiseworthy. |
As pointed out by others, "the missing SystemD support WILL NOT BE a showstopper for using X.org 1.16...".
As a consequence I'd suggest that the OP mark this thread as [SOLVED] and that anyone who wants to share his or her thoughts about systemd and/or LP does so in another thread (and preferably in another forum than this one as the quota for this kind of discussion is clearly exceeded here :-) |
This is not the first time that Darth Vader has posted unfounded alarmism. I have not forgotten his Future of KDE thread from several years ago.
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I think too much FUD has been generated from the upstream at times that now it's starting to ooze it's way downstream and pollute things even if not implemented. Phoronix needs to full authenticate what it releases as news, or else they could be ignored for crying wolf too much.
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