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Old 07-08-2017, 08:42 AM   #31
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Might a delete of posts improve this thread?
As a mod you should know this isn't how we handle issues at LQ (putting aside that this post is also off-topic).

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Old 07-08-2017, 11:09 AM   #32
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As a mod you should know this isn't how we handle issues at LQ (putting aside that this post is also off-topic).

--jeremy
Thank you Jeremy once again for standing up for your Forum rules that make this one of the best and certainly the most adult forums on the web. It seems to me if everyone everywhere discourages recognizing that one of humanity's greatest strengths is diversity and that conflict creates energy while reasonable, gentlemanly behaviour defuses any chance of that energy reaching a critical state, an "explosion", (what? of words on a page? pfff) then how can our "real life" institutions - governments, schools, businesses etc NOT follow suit and create a civilization of citizens as underling children needing strict "parental" control, even on the most basic freedom/responsibility - Speech?

This may be just one breath of fresh air but considering it takes just two atoms to make a molecule, without such an environment where that is possible we all suffocate.



Oh yeah and back to the divergent topics here -

There was a time when I was a "minimalist" trying to compile kernels that were smaller than a floppy and all that, but now I drive a truck! XD I'm just picky about picking up hitchhikers

and speaking of trucks I imagine anyone who assumes billions of tons of factory and vehicle emissions each year into a closed system for over 120 years have had zero consequences is ignoring basic cause and effect relationships, not to mention hard evidence. Statistics may be malleable but ice cores and satellite photos, to mention just a few, are hard evidence and we can stand around and debate causes but they all add up and when dark clouds gather most intelligent people start noting the location of shelter whether that's a house, a cave, an enclosed vehicle or an umbrella rather than argue about the likelihood of rain that day just to be safe and thorough.

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Old 07-09-2017, 11:12 AM   #33
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Debian 9 XFCE (345 MB)

TOTALLY FALSE !

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here , usin Debian sid XFCE ( new install ) . . . where the hell are the 345 mb ? ? ?

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Old 07-09-2017, 12:36 PM   #34
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Debian 9 XFCE (345 MB)

TOTALLY FALSE !

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here , usin Debian sid XFCE ( new install ) . . . where the hell are the 345 mb ? ? ?

Umm...not Debian, obviously, nor Stretch, and with GNOME-SYSTEM-MONITOR running? You have any idea how much Gnome3 stuff is loaded up when you run Gnome-System-Monitor? Heck, the fact that it's even installed makes me suspect GDM is loaded rather than LightDM.

Whatever. I actually am curious what the RAM consumption from a vanilla Slackware install would be like compared to the others. I have numerous computers with less than 1MB of RAM, where these numbers actually matter. Also, I RAMBOOT numerous systems which dramatically cuts into the available RAM. On my media player laptops hardware limited to 3GB of RAM, it's kind of tight so I'm keenly aware of the RAM consumption. This is particularly critical for NetFlix, which crashes during attempted playback if I have less than 1GB of available RAM (over 1.5GB of RAM gets eaten up by the OS loaded into tmpfs root).

So far, I have been using Debian Stable for this stuff. If Slackware offers significant RAM savings? Could be worth checking out.
 
Old 07-09-2017, 04:58 PM   #35
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Umm...not Debian, obviously, nor Stretch, and with GNOME-SYSTEM-MONITOR running? You have any idea how much Gnome3 stuff is loaded up when you run Gnome-System-Monitor? Heck, the fact that it's even installed makes me suspect GDM is loaded rather than LightDM.

Whatever. I actually am curious what the RAM consumption from a vanilla Slackware install would be like compared to the others. I have numerous computers with less than 1MB of RAM, where these numbers actually matter. Also, I RAMBOOT numerous systems which dramatically cuts into the available RAM. On my media player laptops hardware limited to 3GB of RAM, it's kind of tight so I'm keenly aware of the RAM consumption. This is particularly critical for NetFlix, which crashes during attempted playback if I have less than 1GB of available RAM (over 1.5GB of RAM gets eaten up by the OS loaded into tmpfs root).

So far, I have been using Debian Stable for this stuff. If Slackware offers significant RAM savings? Could be worth checking out.
Then why not do such a comparison yourself?
We can wait.
 
Old 07-09-2017, 06:00 PM   #36
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you can also run a quick test with SalixOS liveCD or install it:
https://salixos.org/download.html

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Old 07-09-2017, 06:15 PM   #37
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Whatever. I actually am curious what the RAM consumption from a vanilla Slackware install would be like compared to the others. I have numerous computers with less than 1MB of RAM, where these numbers actually matter. Also, I RAMBOOT numerous systems which dramatically cuts into the available RAM. On my media player laptops hardware limited to 3GB of RAM, it's kind of tight so I'm keenly aware of the RAM consumption. This is particularly critical for NetFlix, which crashes during attempted playback if I have less than 1GB of available RAM (over 1.5GB of RAM gets eaten up by the OS loaded into tmpfs root).

So far, I have been using Debian Stable for this stuff. If Slackware offers significant RAM savings? Could be worth checking out.
Vanilla Slackware would boot KDE if you don't change the default Window Manager/Desktop Environment, however that selection is done through the installer and there are many choices that require less resources than KDE (there's seven total choices including KDE).

And I assume you meant you have systems with less than 1GB of RAM, as Slackware recommends a minimum of 64MB of RAM. However, I've heard of people getting by on less, but I think you need to install it with a system that has at least 64MB.
 
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Old 07-09-2017, 07:15 PM   #38
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If Slackware offers significant RAM savings? Could be worth checking out.
It really depends on which DE/WM you choose during the installation of Slackware that will determine RAM usage. KDE will use the most RAM. XFCE uses less RAM, and Fluxbox a little less than XFCE. If you do a full install of Slackware you can switch between the different DE/WMs and select an experience that is light enough to meet your needs. Use the command xwmconfig at a shell prompt to switch between DE/WMs.
 
Old 07-09-2017, 10:10 PM   #39
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Vanilla Slackware would boot KDE if you don't change the default Window Manager/Desktop Environment, however that selection is done through the installer and there are many choices that require less resources than KDE (there's seven total choices including KDE).

And I assume you meant you have systems with less than 1GB of RAM, as Slackware recommends a minimum of 64MB of RAM. However, I've heard of people getting by on less, but I think you need to install it with a system that has at least 64MB.
Yeah, typo. They have less than 1GB of RAM, not 1MB of RAM. All of my useful computers have at least 512MB of RAM, so no problem there.

I generally go with XFCE4 when there's a choice, but I have been thinking of experimenting again with a stripped down WM setup because Netflix is so RAM hungry. Thing is, by the time I add enough stuff to make the setup user friendly enough for family use, I end up with something practically as heavy as XFCE4, so...meh.

Also, the various WMs I've tried just aren't as suited to widescreen displays as XFCE4. I used to love IceWM but it only does a horizontal taskbar. XFCE4 is pretty much the best vertical taskbar experience for me - most don't do rotated window title labels.

To be honest, I'll probably just do a hardware solution ultimately - boost all of the media playback computers to at least 1.5GB. I've spent too much of my time on various things trying to get Netflix working on all of them. It's just so hard trying to squeeze memory consumption much lower!
 
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:21 AM   #40
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I checked thismorning after a clean Slackware boot with no applications running. 379MB using the default KDE/plasma desktop - but as soon as I load firefox and Skype it bolts to over a gig. As others have said some programs will just take RAM if it's there even if not needed, can't do anything about that unfortunately.
 
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Old 07-10-2017, 02:08 AM   #41
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Yeah, typo. They have less than 1GB of RAM, not 1MB of RAM. All of my useful computers have at least 512MB of RAM, so no problem there.

I generally go with XFCE4 when there's a choice, but I have been thinking of experimenting again with a stripped down WM setup because Netflix is so RAM hungry. Thing is, by the time I add enough stuff to make the setup user friendly enough for family use, I end up with something practically as heavy as XFCE4, so...meh.

Also, the various WMs I've tried just aren't as suited to widescreen displays as XFCE4. I used to love IceWM but it only does a horizontal taskbar. XFCE4 is pretty much the best vertical taskbar experience for me - most don't do rotated window title labels.

To be honest, I'll probably just do a hardware solution ultimately - boost all of the media playback computers to at least 1.5GB. I've spent too much of my time on various things trying to get Netflix working on all of them. It's just so hard trying to squeeze memory consumption much lower!

Whew! Heheh that was my first toe-stubber reading your initial post. The mere mention of 1MB of ram brought back nightmares of endlessly running QEMM on DOS 5 to get efficient use of even 1 more MB. LOL
 
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.... The mere mention of 1MB of ram brought back nightmares of endlessly running QEMM on DOS 5 to get efficient use of even 1 more MB. LOL
DOS 3.3 on a 386DX with 4MB in 1988. Trying to decide whether to allocate to XMS or EMS (expanded memory or extended memory) and what device drivers needed to be loaded for a program that needed 512KB base memory with the 640KB build in limitation.

I'm 40 at the moment. So that was my introduction to computers. I never had C64's or any of that.

Edit to add: The ol man spent over $12,000 (more in todays dollars) on that computer. I remember the 40MB HDD cost about a grand and had to be partitioned into C:\ and D:\ because DOS had a 33MB limit. The screen itself was about 2 grand.. an NEC SVGA. Memory was hundreds of dollars per MB. Ahh the memories.

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Old 07-10-2017, 04:38 AM   #43
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I checked thismorning after a clean Slackware boot with no applications running. 379MB using the default KDE/plasma desktop - but as soon as I load firefox and Skype it bolts to over a gig. As others have said some programs will just take RAM if it's there even if not needed, can't do anything about that unfortunately.
I guess you have not turned off nepomuk and akkonadi?
both can be turned off, than I think after boot into KDE you will be below 300, without anything running
 
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I guess you have not turned off nepomuk and akkonadi?
both can be turned off, than I think after boot into KDE you will be below 300, without anything running
I have found you can turn off "indexing" in the KDE system settings and you can uninstall akonadi, but the nepomuk and
strigi files have to remain or KDE won't run. From about KDE-4.13.6, I have been able to get its RAM usage down to within 20 or so megs of the amount used by Xfce.

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Old 07-10-2017, 08:48 AM   #45
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I have found you can turn off "indexing" in the KDE system settings and you can uninstall akonadi, but the nepomuk and
strigi files have to remain or KDE won't run. From about KDE-4.13.6, I have been able to get its RAM usage down to within 20 or so megs of the amount used by Xfce.
just disable indexing, and disable akonadi autostart, and that mysql starts for any of these services

http://www.linux-databook.info/?page_id=3728

there are more resources about this, turning off these KDE unwanted components, in the net

note that there are some events that could trigger an akonadi start, like calender reminders or some features via ALT+F2

I am unsure what I have turned off, did this when Slackware 14.2 was released the last time once, than I start always with a copy of this home with this config, desktop keybindings and other defaults ...
 
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