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Old 06-03-2011, 02:23 PM   #31
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Doesn't PV use kde?
Bad mouths say that he uses Emacs as a DE, and Lynx as webbrowser ...
 
Old 06-03-2011, 02:23 PM   #32
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Doesn't PV use kde?
Dunno, but he's reading this thread now.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 02:26 PM   #33
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Talking seriously ...

How about an PORTS like system for Slackware? As in PKGSRC or FreeBSD PORTS?

For example, PKGSRC have 10,000 packages on its ports, AND YES! The NetBSD System don't have dependencies. That's applied only to PORTS.

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Old 06-03-2011, 02:27 PM   #34
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Talking seriously ...

How about an PORTS like system for Slackware? As in PKGSRC or FreeBSD PORTS?
Something like this?

http://slackbot.sourceforge.net/
 
Old 06-03-2011, 02:29 PM   #35
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I will say something different: for me KDE is like something that is not replacable. I dont like XFCE, i dont want to use GNOME or something else. KDE has everything that i need from operating system: music, movies, office applications, web browsers, apps for configuring net, apps for compressing/decompressing files, and many more. Slackware with KDE is for me an alternatve for a Windows. I not only like the look of it but the funcionality, and apps that i have right after installation. Computer is ready to work just after finished instllation.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 02:31 PM   #36
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Alien's new blog (http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/whats-cooking/) mentioned that KDE4.7 is a maintenance burden. So there is a possibility to remove it just like Gnome.

What do you think?

(I don't know how to start a poll here...)
Howdy folks!

We did indeed announce that to KDE's packagers' mailing list, and the discussion that resulted really was a remarkable example of community collaboration. There was a consensus that the way in which the splitting of packages was happening was lacking a game plan, and as a result there's going to be a lot more discussion about where the splits should occur and the rationale for them, including how the inter-package dependencies will be impacted. At the time alienBOB first spoke up to the list, the splits were happening based on the how the modules were set up in git, which is not necessarily the best way to split up the source tarballs.

So, it was a very good discussion to have, and other distros have stepped up to express similar concerns. Together, we will find workable solutions for all of us.

Personally, I am a big fan of KDE. I'm running it right now. It is my usual desktop environment, and it's likely to remain so. But sometimes it helps to talk nonsense from time to time to get a serious discussion going.

Hopefully we won't be branded as trolls now...
 
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:39 PM   #37
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Amen !
 
Old 06-03-2011, 02:40 PM   #38
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Thanks for update Pat. Glad to hear a constructive discussion is happening.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 03:28 PM   #39
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Personally, I am a big fan of KDE. I'm running it right now. It is my usual desktop environment, and it's likely to remain so.
I'm very glad to hear that - I'm a big KDE fan and have always loved it. I have tried to adjust to XFCE but just don't find it as friendly or usable as KDE - I would really hate to see it leave Slackware.

Again, thanks for the update.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 04:02 PM   #40
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I haven't followed the development of KDE for some time so maybe i didn't understand this well. Have they created many small repositories of programs (e.g konsole, dolphin, kopete, etc) ? Something like modular kde projects (e.g arch's kdemod/chakra) were doing ?

If yes, then for users it might even be nicer because they would be able to install a smaller set of kde packages with only what programs they use. I understand though that it would be a lot more work for Eric and the other developers to maintain all these packages.

Anyway, it is nice that the KDE developers responded to Eric's mail and they are trying to work things out with the packaging teams and the community.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 04:41 PM   #41
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KDE shipping is one of the reasons I choose Slackware, for its stable and pure. Kubuntu gave me a nightmare before, and I don't like KDE customized too much as openSUSE, I prefer pure KDE.

Glad to hear that PV you are a big fan of KDE ;-)
 
Old 06-03-2011, 05:39 PM   #42
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Nice to hear that an important reason for people to prefer Slackware's KDE over other distro's KDE versions is the fact that we do not patch the hell out of it.

The reason for wanting to keep Slackware's KDE contained in a few big packages is that we advocate a full install anyway - if you want KDE you better take all of it. The few megabytes extra are not going to make the difference.

What I thought to be a driving force for renaming KDE to "KDE Software Compilation" was that they want to give users a feeling of belonging, of completeness. You are not using a desktop environment - what KDE has to offer transcends the desktop. That idea is going down the drain when the sources get fragmented into a zillion smaller project tarballs.

In the past, all these sub-projects coordinating their efforts and having something ready at release time has been a MAJOR strength of KDE. This can not be stressed enough. When you install a version of KDE you know that the components are (supposed to be) tuned to one another.

There were several projects that decided not to match their release cycles to the main KDE release cycle, and the result is chaos. Projects would demand that parts of a stable KDE release would have to be upgraded to newer library versions just to satisfy the smaller project. Digikam is such a project where ridiculous library dependencies made me decide never to package or use it again. KDEPIM needed a lot of time to re-write their applications from scratch so they gave up their attempts to release in co-ordination with KDE0s own releases. The result: when a new KDEPIM relaease is announced, every packager is searching the mailing list for information about what dependencies should be applied and where that will break other pieces of KDE.

What it boils down to is this: KDE is a shining example of release management for a complex software ecosystem, and I would really like it to stay that way.

Eric
 
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Old 06-03-2011, 05:50 PM   #43
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Howdy folks!
Hey Pat


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So, it was a very good discussion to have, and other distros have stepped up to express similar concerns. Together, we will find workable solutions for all of us.
That's important, and Slackware took the lead on this, which is also important.

Sometimes, a large slice of ANY particular community (tech, social, political, or otherwise) may share certain common concerns, yet until *someone* speaks up first, the actual discussion about it never occurs.

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Personally, I am a big fan of KDE. I'm running it right now. It is my usual desktop environment, and it's likely to remain so...
That's been evident to me since long before you decided to drop the headache Gnome

Besides, there's GSB (and maybe still a couple of others) for folks who want it, right?

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Hopefully we won't be branded as trolls now...
I seriously doubt it. Regardless of what people out there are running, Slackware commands A LOT of respect, and people watch it, or perhaps look to it as a litmus test for what direction things might/should follow.

Anyone who has ever been forced under duress to support RH in the enterprise understands this principle - things just don't break in Slackware, and then we get to say, "I told you so!"

Kind of like those tent takes you hammer into the ground with a rock, you know you should only get a tent so big before you risk it blowing away

Personally, I just switched back to KDE a few weeks back from Xfce, which I love, but I found that many of the "Goodies" to make my life simpler would be nice to have and KDE provided that with less steps - as far as my personal workstations are concerned anyway.

I hadn't used KDE in about three years, and although I'm becoming once again conveniently dependent upon it, it's not a show stopper if we dropped it.

That having been said, it would make my mission of Slackware evangelicalism (is that even a word?) a bit more difficult w/o KDE as part of the base

I hope that helps

Kindest regards,
 
Old 06-03-2011, 05:55 PM   #44
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why do i need KDE, except play some of its games, I am very happy with Blackbox, I don't even use Xfce, I just need super lightweight wm. programming most in Java, and bash, the rest of them are just wasteful for computer resources. It is just me. Anyway, I did my full installation, too lazy to sit around to light up my installation.

Last I remembering, Slackware didn't have any tiling WM, only if it does has some of those super tiny wm, I will more happier with Slackwer.

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Old 06-03-2011, 07:13 PM   #45
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Nice to hear that an important reason for people to prefer Slackware's KDE over other distro's KDE versions is the fact that we do not patch the hell out of it.
One of the things I really like about Slackware is the fact that packages are as vanilla as possible. Actually I'm not sure how other KDE versions are, the only times I can remember using them was when I tried out Kubuntu a few years ago and when I tried out KDE 4.0 on Suse for a few hours. I hear that a lot of people find Kubuntu's KDE annoying.
 
  


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