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Old 06-07-2011, 05:43 PM   #151
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I find it slightly ironic that it is called KDE Frameworks considering Microsoft's emphasis on the .NET Framework, and other companies' recent use of the "framework" buzzword. A few years ago, perhaps the name "KDE Suite" would have been chosen.

Is this a precursor to some applications becoming closed source or commercial?
When it becomes KDE Cloud I'll _really_ start to worry
 
Old 06-07-2011, 05:45 PM   #152
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I think its because all the KDE apps are being split off. Its now being called modularisation, if that's even a word. KDE will now be an unwieldy beast to build if you want it all.

On the other hand, maybe one only wants Dolphin, Okular, and Kate. Then its not so hard to build the KDE Framework (anyone thinking MS .Net Framework here?), plus the apps. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Funnily enough I was thinking about trying to fork Dolphin away from KDE. I may have time to look at it one day, but it's a job and a half.
 
Old 06-07-2011, 05:47 PM   #153
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I think without either KDE or Gnome it will impact on the user count. If it went with XFCE as the main desktop then that would be cool but then it leads to a whole bunch of alternative applications, which would cause its own problem. But at the end of the day I'm sure it will all work out good.
 
Old 06-07-2011, 06:03 PM   #154
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Rubbish. [...] It's instructive that many of you crying out in defence of KDE have no qualms about belittling XFCE. As DragonWisard says, it's doubtful many of you KDE apologists would "rush to the defense of Fluxbox or XFCE if either of those were facing the chopping block."

Please give up the insults. There are many Slackware users on this forum using XFCE as a perfectly functional and *complete* desktop. Don't try to strong-arm us into thinking otherwise.
I found no "insults" in this thread. But let's get serious: XFCE may be complete enough for expert users, but KDE provides a helping hand here and there for newbies, while supporting highly integrated workflows for professionals. And of the two, *only* KDE provides useful support for non-US based users. Apart from that, I'd say, that XFCE is a good and lean option for people, who don't need the added value of the high integration of tools and services in KDE.

Is it really too much to ask you to look a bit farther than just to the edge of *your* plate?

But I think, this thread has already become too much of a "My DE is better than yours" discussion, which is off-topic.

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Old 06-07-2011, 06:39 PM   #155
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I put KDE as default DE on the office laptops simply because it is the nearest thing to Windows. People have a better idea of what to expect, and where to look.
 
Old 06-07-2011, 10:31 PM   #156
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I've been reading some of the threads on KDE and their recent policy decisions and the blatant stupidity of the KDE management is nothing short of frightening.
If I were the conspiracy theory type I would think they are on mickeysoft's payroll.
 
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:49 PM   #157
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I find it slightly ironic that it is called KDE Frameworks considering Microsoft's emphasis on the .NET Framework, and other companies' recent use of the "framework" buzzword. A few years ago, perhaps the name "KDE Suite" would have been chosen.

Is this a precursor to some applications becoming closed source or commercial?
IMHO, M$'s framework is libraries and dev stacks. But KDE framework(if there is any) is applications. Are they the same? No, I don't think so. Besides there are much more license, community, eco differences.
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:07 AM   #158
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Excuse me, for interfering here, but why don't you S L A C K W A R E users kick everything? Kick KDE, just like you kicked GNOME, kick Xfce, it may become to complex to maintain. Kick kernel, because what the fuck is Linus doing? 3.0? Who will maintain that. Kick Red Hat, kick Debian, kick Ubuntu, kick LQ. We do it from source, we are UNIX, BSD.

Who needs normal user, you should start with startx, everybody. The elite.

It'll probably be me, against few hundred Slackware useres, saintly users.

Whatever, anytime, anywhere, you name it. The elite.

Give me some negative reputation.

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:22 AM   #159
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Wow alan_ri - now that is completely uncalled for. You use Debian, not Slackware. What happens in Slackware should not concern you.
Nobody invited you to vent your frustrations here. The word "elite" is not mentioned anywhere and other distros were not harmed in this thread.

What happened, did your dog die?

Eric
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:23 AM   #160
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From your sig
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This is a discussion of the needs of users and the free software community.
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Give me some negative reputation.
I didn't, but thanks for the tempting offer!
 
Old 06-08-2011, 07:55 AM   #161
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That's typical of the Debian community -- release your stuff long after everyone else has finished

For anyone else who hasn't been following this controversy, here's
Kick KDE From Slackware In A Nutshell.
  • Slackware core contributors: Please help us keep KDE in Slackware.
  • KDE core contributors: Please let us help you keep KDE in Slackware.
  • Slackware KDE users: Please keep KDE in Slackware, and we'll help if we can.
  • Slackware non-KDE users: If it's not too much work, please keep KDE in Slackware.
  • alan_ri: TL;DR, but he called us 'elite', which is always welcome.
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:00 AM   #162
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I don't think my opinion is interesting for someone, but I believe it's not very good idea to kick off KDE from Slackware. And doesn't matter whether I use KDE or I don't. Having a solid desktop environment is one of the most important option for end user and every solid Linux distro have to provide one. Of cause, you can say that Fluxbox or twm or Linux console is your integrated DE, but don't be kiddy, you understand what I'm talking about.
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:04 AM   #163
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That's typical of the Debian community -- release your stuff long after everyone else has finished
While alan_ri's comment was completely uncalled for, there's no reason for escalating this exchange into the war of distros. This thread is not about Debian, or any other distro apart from Slackware.
 
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:17 AM   #164
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For anyone else who hasn't been following this controversy, here's
Kick KDE From Slackware In A Nutshell.
  • Slackware core contributors: Please help us keep KDE in Slackware.
  • KDE core contributors: Please let us help you keep KDE in Slackware.
  • Slackware KDE users: Please keep KDE in Slackware, and we'll help if we can.
  • Slackware non-KDE users: If it's not too much work, please keep KDE in Slackware.
  • alan_ri: TL;DR, but he called us 'elite', which is always welcome.
I agree with this recap. Everyone in the Slackware community would prefer to keep KDE if it's at all feasible, and the Debian community still recognizes us as being the most elite.
 
Old 06-08-2011, 08:17 AM   #165
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I wouldn't like to see KDE dropped. Of course, I'll understand it if maintaining it becomes too much of a hassle. I'd just ask that QT isn't dropped along with it. I just can't do without a couple of applications, like Kmymoney.
 
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