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slaxnoob 08-01-2004 07:42 AM

Kde in Slackware - Very Long Post
 
I was wondering is there a KDE which is optimised or modified for Slackware just like Dropline is for GNOME ?

While I have heard of many things against Dropline GNOME like :

1) How it messes up everything & how its impossible to remove it from Slackware without reinstalling slackware.
2) How it includes PAM & how against Patrick is against PAM.


What would be a better option for KDE ? KDE which was
1) Compatible with slackware packages without breaking anything.
2) Have more Kwin & KStyle Decorations. The Number of Native KDE Styles in Kde-look are many but the number of packages available for slackware a very little.
3) Have more applets & apps from Kde.org which are good for desktop usage ( Network Monitors, misc small utilities )
4) Have more EyeCandy like DropShadows in KDE

5) Have optional lite packages i.e Slackware doesn't use the SysV Style of Init, so KSysV is a useless part of KdeAdmin for Slackware in General. Similarly do we really need/want all the apps in kdemultimedia like juk, Kaboodle & Noatun ?

OR
6) Optimized for 686 (just 686 not pentium3 pentium4 or athlon) so as to be protable.
7) Built with Libfam or FAM which would make konqueror auto-refresh without you having to manually refresh the contents.

I'm learning & dont claim to be an expert on Linux or Slackware . (I dont know anything about PAM & why Patrick doesnt't like it) I have a few questions.

Is there a reason why Patrick didnt use FAM/libfam in Kde ?

I've read many times that gentoo is faster than slackware. Is there a way to actually measure performance ? I cannot justify time spent for compiling everything. I don't want to compile stuff from scratch if the performance difference isnt even noticeable. Honestly, minus the placebo effect, Will compiling Big packages like XOrg & KDE be worth it ? Has anyone done something like this ?

I'm pretty sure that 1-5 can be achieved easily .
I've managed to build kdemultimedia without any of the applications like Juk, Kaboodle, KMid, KMix, KRec, KsCD & Noatun. I used the 'Official' SlackBuilds & i think 2 people have gotten it to work.
I've also compiled the kde Drop Shadow Patch from Kdelook.org & it works fine on my system. I made a tgz which is roughly 700 KB.

The Best part about this is that if anything goes wrong all you have to do is remove a package & go back to the stock slackware ones. What do you guys think?

I Personally dont install all KDE applications like KOffice, kdeaccessibility, kdeedu, kdetoys, kdegames, kdevelop, kdepim or kdesdk. Many Projects come up & go away. Does anyone care about this ? Maybe this can start as a
HowTo to get things rolling. It might also be nice to include other stuff like the Gtk-Qt Theme & the button order patch from the Goneme project so that Gtk & Qt apps look a little more similar.

Brane Ded 08-01-2004 07:14 PM

The main thing that's stopped me from trying Dropline GNOME is that I've heard if you find out you don't like it, you have to reinstall everything due to all the changes it makes.

So I certainly wouldn't mind a similar project for KDE(or GNOME) that I could install, and the ditch if I dislike it.

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I've read many times that gentoo is faster than slackware. Is there a way to actually measure performance ? I cannot justify time spent for compiling everything. I don't want to compile stuff from scratch if the performance difference isnt even noticeable. Honestly, minus the placebo effect, Will compiling Big packages like XOrg & KDE be worth it ? Has anyone done something like this ?
It might be a little faster, but it depends on the apps. Most of the time the optimizations aren't noticeable by a human. You might shave a second or two off the startup times of some apps(on old hardware like mine). Even if recompiling XOrg does speed it up a little, it would probably take months to gain back the time you spent compiling as opposed just downloading the binaries.

If I recall correctly, the last two days of my Gentoo installation was spent on XFree86 and GNOME. I did it from stage one on my 800Mhz Celeron. Took about a week or two. I didn't notice much of a difference between that and Slackware, so the first time Gentoo messed up on me I popped Slack back in. Next time I feel like compiling an OS from source, I'll just do Linux From Scratch. :D

gargamel 08-04-2004 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Brane Ded
[...] Next time I feel like compiling an OS from source, I'll just do Linux From Scratch. :D
LFS is for real men. ;-) Softies like me prefer ROCK Linux. Currently it is lacking a thing or two that I regard necessary for its target distributions in order to make it a valid alternative for day-to-day use. But the project is well on the way to get the few issues left right. Development is active and the community isn't big, but friendly and helpful.
http://www.rocklinux.org

gargamel


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