Is udev going to be useless? (see the link)

clod89 · 10-28-2012, 08:17 AM

This is an interesting read: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484 .
Opinions?

clod89 · 10-28-2012, 08:27 AM

Forgot this link too https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/564

GazL · 10-28-2012, 08:55 AM

I've never liked udev - far too complicated IMO. I've been meaning to spend some time looking at investigating a mdev based replacement, but never gotten around to it.
I hope udev does go away.

Didier Spaier · 10-28-2012, 12:22 PM

This post pretty well summarizes the situation as it is now.

Meanwhile Slackware 14 works reasonably well as it is, and IMHO we don't need one more systemd/udev heated discussion as we have had enough of that recently, see this thread which is hopefully closed

So, just wait and see

sahko · 10-28-2012, 12:38 PM

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303 & https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484

On a related note whats up with consolekit? The only replacement is systemd's logind.
Are we stuck with it for eternity?

Didier Spaier · 10-28-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sahko

Are we stuck with it for eternity?

« L'éternité c'est long, surtout vers la fin. »

Pixxt · 10-28-2012, 03:32 PM

https://bitbucket.org/braindamaged/udev Forked Udev

MadMaverick9 · 10-30-2012, 05:18 AM

talking about useless ...

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Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at lkml.org.

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telnet lkml.org 443
Trying 87.253.128.182...
telnet: connect to address 87.253.128.182: Connection refused

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telnet lkml.org 80
Trying 87.253.128.182...
telnet: connect to address 87.253.128.182: Connection refused

NeoMetal · 10-30-2012, 08:44 AM

Perhaps hurricane intteruptions

ReaperX7 · 10-30-2012, 03:45 PM

Devtmpfs, hotplug, and HAL worked far better even if they were a bit dated. This all goes to show that just because something seems better in fundamental aspects doesn't make it better realistically if the developers don't know what the hell they are doing. Someone should tell Linus to add hotplug, HAL, and devtmpfs back into the kernel and ditch udev if the crap doesn't work correctly. Udev is now part of systemd which is a piece of crap as well. The udev fork probably won't fair much better anyway.

Wait... who did Linus call a "Two-Faced Lying Weasel"?

Didier Spaier · 10-30-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

Someone should tell Linus to add hotplug, HAL, and devtmpfs back into the kernel and ditch udev if the crap doesn't work correctly.

Someone=ReaperX7?

Woodsman · 10-30-2012, 06:41 PM

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Someone=ReaperX7?

Nope:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303

ReaperX7 · 10-30-2012, 08:43 PM

Got Linus's email?

gnashley · 10-31-2012, 03:26 AM

hotplug, HAL and udev are not part of the kernel and never were. So, mouthing off about Linus and what he should do will get you nowhere. It always amazes me that the most ignorant people are the first and most eager to make their threatening suggestions...

If you really want to be helpful, first know what you are talking about, then work your way towards contributing some code which will accomplish what you think should be done. But, remember that the open source community has not been just stumbling along, waiting for *you* to come along with your bright ideas.

GazL · 10-31-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

Devtmpfs, hotplug, and HAL worked far better even if they were a bit dated.

I think you mean "devfs". devtmpfs is what is used currently in conjunction with udev.

I like devtmpfs, it a natural and logical evolution of devfs. It's the implementation of udev that is letting the side down, and after reading that exchange on lkml it's clearly a point that is not lost on Linus.