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Gulrick 05-12-2012 12:01 PM

Is Slackware a good Idea for a newbie?
 
I have just started in the IT field and have little to no experience with programs that require more than a windows point and click. What I am looking for is a distro that will force me to learn linux, is highly stable, and teaches me as much as possible without wanting to throw my lap top through a window. Is this an unreasonable request given my limited abilities? I do not know any if commands or coding and have almost no experience with terminal commands. I have used ubuntu 10.4 and 12 but they are too much like windows for me.

hitest 05-12-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulrick (Post 4676724)
I have just started in the IT field and have little to no experience with programs that require more than a windows point and click. What I am looking for is a distro that will force me to learn linux, is highly stable, and teaches me as much as possible without wanting to throw my lap top through a window. Is this an unreasonable request given my limited abilities? I do not know any if commands or coding and have almost no experience with terminal commands. I have used ubuntu 10.4 and 12 but they are too much like windows for me.

I suggest that you read the book and see if Slackware is something that you would like to try. Partitioning your HD can be a bit daunting at first glance. The book recommends fdisk. You may wish to use cfdisk as it is a bit more user friendly.

Code:

# cfdisk /dev/sda
Preparation is key to a successful first install of Slackware.

Slackbook

allend 05-12-2012 12:16 PM

It depends on you capacity for reading information. Try the sticky thread "So you want to be a Slacker..." near the top in the forum.

markush 05-12-2012 12:33 PM

Hi Gulrick,
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Originally Posted by Gulrick (Post 4676724)
I have just started in the IT field and have little to no experience with programs that require more than a windows point and click. What I am looking for is a distro that will force me to learn linux, is highly stable, and teaches me as much as possible ...

well, then Slackware is exactly the right choice for you.
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... without wanting to throw my lap top through a window....
This depends on you, Linux and even more Slackware is much about reading the documentations.
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... Is this an unreasonable request given my limited abilities? I do not know any if commands or coding and have almost no experience with terminal commands. I have used ubuntu 10.4 and 12 but they are too much like windows for me.
Well, Slackware was my first experience with Linux and I've learned much with it.

Markus

BlackRider 05-12-2012 12:37 PM

Whenever Slackware fits the needs of a new user depends on the new user in question.

For Slack, the hard part is to install the system at first, as the installation process is not intuitive for novices. Partitioning is only easy if you are familiar with text mode partition tools, otherwise it can be a hard time (many people uses a "graphic and easy" tool like Parted Magic for partitioning, then boots the Slackware installer). Once the system is installed and tunned, the end user experience is basically the same -desktop applications work more or less the same in any distribution. Third party software installation is usually easy, as there are many applications prepared for Slackware by side projects like SlackBuilds.org

Basically, do some research by yourself, read the install process in the Slackbook and try to do something useful out of Slackware. The best way to know an OS is to fiddle with it. After two weeks, you'll will either get burnt or love the system.

That said, when I install a system for a newbie who is supposed to administrate it, I set Debian because it seems to me more easy-going for unexperienced people. Yeah, I know it is a matter of opinion...

Gulrick 05-12-2012 01:15 PM

thank you all for your advice and help. I have done a few partitions and had pretty good luck minus the one that said it had no data so I erased the partition and the machine would not run any more. I had to rebuild with disk and start over. Lesson learned.

sycamorex 05-12-2012 01:15 PM

Slackware is as suitable for a *motivated* newbie as most other distros. Admittedly, it is more stable than many other distros but it will NOT FORCE you to learn anything. No distro will. Slackware's installation process may be a problem for a newbie but there are lots of tutorials (with screenshots) out there so theoretically you could install slackware without understanding much of what's going on. Once you've installed slackware, it's rather simple to administer it. It might be command line but all the necessary commands (slackware-specific) to administer it can be learned in 30 minutes.

The point I'm getting at is that the fact that there are not many GUI tools on slackware is not a guarantee that a user will automatically learn much (copy & paste). If a user is motivated enough to learn BASH or the inner workings of linux, any stable linux distro will be good and no GUI will stand in the way.

markush 05-12-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamorex (Post 4676762)
Slackware is as suitable for a *motivated* newbie as most other distros. Admittedly, it is more stable than many other distros but it will NOT FORCE you to learn anything...

Well, it doesn't force you, but if you don't learn you will not work with Slackware for a long time. Ubuntu is another thing, you learn to click here and there and don't have to understand why, and if you don't learn anything you can do very well with Ubuntu or Windows as well.
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... No distro will. Slackware's installation process may be a problem for a newbie but there are lots of tutorials (with screenshots) out there so theoretically you could install slackware without understanding much of what's going on.
I think the problem can be the partitioning, especially if there is Windows running on the machine and should not be damaged.
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Once you've installed slackware, it's rather simple to administer it. It might be command line but all the necessary commands (slackware-specific) to administer it can be learned in 30 minutes.

The point I'm getting at is that the fact that there are not many GUI tools on slackware is not a guarantee that a user will automatically learn much (copy & paste). If a user is motivated enough to learn BASH or the inner workings of linux, any stable linux distro will be good and no GUI will stand in the way.
The big difference between Slackware and most of the others is, that here all programs are vanilla, no patches, everything works like the manpage says. Additionally the system is very transparent, one can relatively easy "see" how things work together. On other distributions you have a assistant for everything, but when the assistant fails you're lost.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention Slackware's great community which is both, knowledgeable and helpful.

Markus

sycamorex 05-12-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by markush (Post 4676781)
Well, it doesn't force you, but if you don't learn you will not work with Slackware for a long time. Ubuntu is another thing, you learn to click here and there and don't have to understand why, and if you don't learn anything you can do very well with Ubuntu or Windows as well.

I think the problem can be the partitioning, especially if there is Windows running on the machine and should not be damaged.

The big difference between Slackware and most of the others is, that here all programs are vanilla, no patches, everything works like the manpage says. Additionally the system is very transparent, one can relatively easy "see" how things work together. On other distributions you have a assistant for everything, but when the assistant fails you're lost.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention Slackware's great community which is both, knowledgeable and helpful.

Markus

Good point about transparency. Wouldn't it be possible, though, to administer Ubuntu using the traditional CLI method without resorting to GUI assistants?

gezley 05-12-2012 02:59 PM

sycamorex - while I understand that Slackware is playfully irreverent, I consider your signature offensive and insulting, not to mention inappropriate in this forum. It depresses me to see it here day after day. There are more than enough platforms in your country and on the Internet today to attack the intelligence and rationality of people who believe in God. Please use one of those platforms instead. We are not stupid. We are not irrational. And we have many solid *reasons* for believing in God. As a senior member of LQ, you should not be using this forum to promote an agenda that says otherwise.

sycamorex 05-12-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gezley (Post 4676822)
sycamorex - while I understand that Slackware is playfully irreverent, I consider your signature offensive and insulting, not to mention inappropriate in this forum. It depresses me to see it here day after day. There are more than enough platforms in your country and on the Internet today to attack the intelligence and rationality of people who believe in God. Please use one of those platforms instead. We are not stupid. We are not irrational. And we have many solid *reasons* for believing in God. As a senior member of LQ, you should not be using this forum to promote an agenda that says otherwise.

Your post is totally off-topic in this thread. If you find my signature offensive, please report it to the mods (or PM me).

gezley 05-12-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamorex (Post 4676837)
Your post is totally off-topic in this thread.

Just as your signature is totally off-topic in LQ.
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If you find my signature offensive, please report it to the mods (or PM me).
I have no desire to take it further; I have made my point. If you are not prepared to remove a signature which scoffs at the intelligence, rationality and capacity for critical thought of people who believe in God then it is no longer my problem but yours.

sycamorex 05-12-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gezley (Post 4676844)
Just as your signature is totally off-topic in LQ.

It's not only acceptable but also relatively common here to have signatures that are not related to Linux.

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Originally Posted by gezley (Post 4676844)
I have no desire to take it further; I have made my point. If you are not prepared to remove a signature which scoffs at the intelligence, rationality and capacity for critical thought of people who believe in God then it is no longer my problem but yours.

See my previous post.


@Sorry Gulrick for messing up your thread.

XavierP 05-12-2012 07:10 PM

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Uzuki 05-12-2012 08:18 PM

@Gulrick
I recommend you to read slackbasic and slackbook first


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