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View Poll Results: What would you run if Slackware disappeared tomorrow?
FreeBSD 72 15.48%
Solaris 3 0.65%
Ubuntu or a variant 31 6.67%
Another Debian variant 4 0.86%
Debian 68 14.62%
Arch 119 25.59%
Gentoo 33 7.10%
Mac OS 7 1.51%
Windows 8 1.72%
React OS 0 0%
Another UNIX (AIX, HP/UX, etc . . .) 3 0.65%
Another BSD (NetBSD, OpenBSD, Dragonfly, etc . . .) 24 5.16%
Another Linux not listed here 80 17.20%
Something else entirely 13 2.80%
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:55 AM   #226
ruario
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Wow so many Arch votes. Arch has a close design to Slackware, but there's two glaring reasons I wouldn't use it.

1) Their rolling release model is terrible for anyone who wants a reliable desktop. Have fun being an involuntary Linux beta tester and things randomly not working between day to day updates.
I have run it as my main desktop OS on my work machine since late 2009. Things don't randomly stop working in the way you imply. It has been very stable for me with only a couple of minor issues. In fact it has been a lot better than many distros I have tried. And on the upside you always have very fresh software, with only a short wait. I have had friends and colleagues talk about new software they are looking forward to that I am already running.

Also you should not assume they just dump stuff from upstream straight in the main repositories. It goes in when it is ready. There is a stabilising process, it is just accelerated comparative to most distros. This is why Gnome 3 (despite being released by upstream) is not in the main repositories yet. Instead it is in the testing repository, which is even more bleeding edge. Perhaps things in testing break more often, though I wouldn't really know as I have never used it.

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2) They don't even sign their packages. Next week's news: Arch mirror gets owned, thousands of users compromised.
I not going to try and say the lack of signing is ideal because it clearly isn't but it is not nearly as bad as some of the scaremongering makes out. You can greatly lessen the possibility of such a scenario by picking your mirrors carefully. Ideally ones run by large well known companies or universities and then trust that they do an adequate job looking after the securing and maintenance of their server. And that is they key issue, at some point your have to trust someone. Even with signing you still have to trust the people who put together the distribution are both honest themselves and do a good job of actively and properly code auditing every package change and improvement. Otherwise, someone inside the distro team or a rogue maintainer working on an upstream package can still bite you. And don't assume this is an easy task, even OpenBSD had a slight scare of late with some wondering if they might have a backdoor. It now seems after further auditing that there was no such issue but the fact that people got spooked and wondered about it says something. That being, that auditing is really hard to do well and it is believable that even the mighty OpenBSD team with their proven track record could have missed something.

You should also consider that just because packages are signed it doesn't mean that everyone checks the signatures. If you simply download the slackware-current tree from your favourite mirror and then follow the instructions in UPGRADE.TXT verbatim (as I believe many people do) you won't be any more secure because you didn't actively check the signatures.

But in summary, you do have a point. The lack of signing is a downside to Arch and an issue to consider. On the other hand I don't think people should dismiss the distro out of hand just because of one issue. No distro is perfect.
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:20 PM   #227
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The only issue I've ever had with Arch that was worth whining about was the fact that it crashed on me once after an update. Well, can't really whine about that one either because, as everyone should know, you do NOT wait too long to update rolling-release distros. My above mentioned bad experience was caused by me attempting pacman -Syu six months after the last system upgrade. That was ugly. My fault, though, so can't really whine.

As to package signing... http://www.toofishes.net/blog/real-s...ckage-signing/

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Old 04-15-2011, 12:25 PM   #228
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Slackware Gone? Good!

As one fellow said, stability is essential for him and it is as well here. I'm running a 30 year old business - not a "toy shop."

Experience has shown me that Slackware (v13-64) has a lot in common with the software offered by Micro$soft; at best it's a joke, at worse, it is an insult to the Linux community.

tyc
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:45 PM   #229
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Experience has shown me that Slackware (v13-64) has a lot in common with the software offered by Micro$soft; at best it's a joke, at worse, it is an insult to the Linux community.

tyc
I remember you. You're the guy who dumped a bunch of RPMs on Slackware and then wondered why it wouldn't work. I suppose using .txzs on Fedora would work better?

Since your reasoning ability is limited, I'll phrase this in a way you might be able to understand: YOU ARE AN ASSHAT.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Last edited by volkerdi; 04-15-2011 at 12:45 PM. Reason: typo
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:07 PM   #230
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Slackware gone - that would be a freaking nightmare. For me it is like this - if a package is on slackware then I download and install from source on my other computers. Well if slackware goes (it may perhaps happen in some alternate universe not this ones) I guess I would pick up vector linux.
 
Old 04-15-2011, 01:08 PM   #231
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I would probably break down and use Windows 7.
 
Old 04-15-2011, 01:33 PM   #232
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As one fellow said, stability is essential for him and it is as well here. I'm running a 30 year old business - not a "toy shop."

Experience has shown me that Slackware (v13-64) has a lot in common with the software offered by Micro$soft; at best it's a joke, at worse, it is an insult to the Linux community.

tyc
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From the last Slackware-related thread:
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Tyc - you appear to have had problems with your installation of Slackware. OK. Maybe it was your system, maybe it was you or maybe it was Slackware. Who knows? The reason, though, that Slackware has such a strong following on these forums is because an awful lot of people have been able to make it work - whether out of the box or after some work.

You clearly do not understand or appreciate that Linux (and, by extent, Slackware) is all about choice. If you don't have a good experience with a distro and do not wish to continue using it, move on to another one. That's it. No one on these boards should be bashing anyone else's distro choice. And not including OpenOffice is not even worth bothering about - grab it from Slackbuilds, get it via SBopkg or download and compile yourself; the choice is yours.

Many people are happy with Slackware, you are not. Accept it and move on. And cease the ad hominem attacks.
The moderators have told you once before...

You are not, in any way, helping. Those who can read and learn how to use the command-line (and understand what they are doing when they do so) will have little trouble with Slackware. That doesn't mean they will *like* it -- that's subjective. You, however, are basing your opinion of Slackware on your inability to get it to work -- and instead of blaming yourself for jumping in head first without bothering to learn the Linux command-line or reading about the philosophies of Slackware, you have decided to blame the distribution itself. There are plenty of us that enjoy using Slackware, and plenty that don't. You don't. We get it. You don't need to come in here and spam FUD every time you see an opportunity. Why do you continue to visit the Slackware boards?

Be happy with Fedora; it's not a bad distribution. But if it was the *only* distribution, I would be using Windows.
You were told *in this thread* to scram, and reminded *in another thread* after doing the same thing, and now you repost *in this thread*. Your post history seems to indicate that your sole existence is to annoy people. May I ask why this person is still here after directly violating a moderator's orders twice?
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:36 PM   #233
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I'm still not using Slackware, but yeah, using Salix 13.1 lxde since a few months to get the basics on what Slackware stands and I must say that's pretty stable as of now.
So even if Slackware goes, I'll keep using Salix .
 
Old 04-15-2011, 01:40 PM   #234
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Experience has shown me that Slackware (v13-64) has a lot in common with the software offered by Micro$soft; at best it's a joke, at worse, it is an insult to the Linux community.
If it weren't for Slackware, could we say for sure that there would have been a linux community? Maybe eventually. But credit must be given to Slackware.

Don't be so negative dude. Chill.

And there obviously isn't anything majorly wrong with Slackware, or we would have heard about it by now. There is such a strong following, you can bet that any annoying bugs are going to be news of the day.

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Old 04-15-2011, 02:18 PM   #235
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I remember you. You're the guy who dumped a bunch of RPMs on Slackware and then wondered why it wouldn't work. I suppose using .txzs on Fedora would work better?

Since your reasoning ability is limited, I'll phrase this in a way you might be able to understand: YOU ARE AN ASSHAT.

Thank you, and have a nice day.
I'm so proud. :-)
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 03:44 PM   #236
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I'm so proud. :-)
me too Rob.. :> thanks for the GREAT DISTRO Pat..


ck
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:00 PM   #237
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I remember you. You're the guy who dumped a bunch of RPMs on Slackware and then wondered why it wouldn't work. I suppose using .txzs on Fedora would work better?

Since your reasoning ability is limited, I'll phrase this in a way you might be able to understand: YOU ARE AN ASSHAT.

Thank you, and have a nice day.
this is awesome.
 
Old 04-15-2011, 05:07 PM   #238
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As one fellow said, stability is essential for him and it is as well here. I'm running a 30 year old business - not a "toy shop."

Experience has shown me that Slackware (v13-64) has a lot in common with the software offered by Micro$soft; at best it's a joke, at worse, it is an insult to the Linux community.

tyc
Wow! tyc... what a ballsy fanboi you must be to pop in like this in the midst of a discussion regarding Slackware, in a forum about Slackware, visited by mostly users of Slackware, and make a post comparing Slackware Linux to Microsoft Windows (I bet Pat V. would like to have just a 10th of Mr. Gate's $). That's just awesome.

I won't disparage any other GNU/Linux distribution (well, maybe Gentoo... JUST KIDDING! ). They're all wonderful. The beauty of all this is that you can run whichever one you want; whatever suits your needs and preferences. Ain't it great? However, just as with religion and/or politics; make your choices, but keep 'em to yourself.

Have a wonderful weekend.
 
Old 04-15-2011, 05:18 PM   #239
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I remember you. You're the guy who dumped a bunch of RPMs on Slackware and then wondered why it wouldn't work. I suppose using .txzs on Fedora would work better?

Since your reasoning ability is limited, I'll phrase this in a way you might be able to understand: YOU ARE AN ASSHAT.

Thank you, and have a nice day.
Based on this reply I think I will have to go to the Slackware store and buy some more swag.

volkerdi++
 
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:15 PM   #240
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I remember you. You're the guy who dumped a bunch of RPMs on Slackware and then wondered why it wouldn't work. I suppose using .txzs on Fedora would work better?

Since your reasoning ability is limited, I'll phrase this in a way you might be able to understand: YOU ARE AN ASSHAT.

Thank you, and have a nice day.
hahahaha
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