If there are personal reasons I stay away from Microsoft, there are personal reasons I stay away from swaret and here is why...

http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/forums...pic.php?p=5969

That's an interesting thread, but I question the veracity. I just checked freshmeat, and swaret is still there, contrary to the information in that forum.

Also, notice that there's no link for the article purportedly cited from freshmeat; we don't know who originally wrote it, or from what context.

I personally wouldn't use ANY upgrade software. I don#t like to turn so much control over. I hear of more problems created than problems solved. I think most people are over-zealous about upgrading anyway. the only good reason to update ANYTHING is if it will fix a specific security bug.
I much prefer to keep things nice and stable and upgrade selectively from time to time a certain package or two.
just LOOK at all the problems people have upgrading to kernel 2.6.x! I'd much rather stay with 2.4.x until they get to about 2.6.20 or so...
never buy a new car model the first year it comes out.
about the article- I had seen this thread before and I have seen some VERY aggressive promotion of swaret here and on other forums, so as always I'll expect a little flaming for my current comments...

It is not possible to use a slackware package to upgrade to the new 2.6 kernel series, as it does not yet exist, so although I appreciate your opinion gnashley, this is not a valid criticism of package management software.
I agree with spurious's comment entirely.

My comments about upgrading to kernel 2.6.x is just a comment about the upgrade-mentality in general. I just see SO many posts where everything was working and then they upgrade and instead of improving something instead it's broken.

Well I can't argue with that!

I agree generally with gnashley's comments regarding upgrades. I never use the --upgrade option with either apt-get or swaret. However, these are convenient tools to have when installing or upgrading individual packages, especially for important security upgrades such as openssh (apt-get install openssh, swaret --install openssh).

Yea its back in freshmeat, but if you ever hung around in Freenode, you know what he's talking about. I found it a bit odd that it was pulled from the slackware distro, and that all of the swaret forums are shut down.

come on.. new model cars arent as bad as they were 20 years ago

Using slacks basic packages is as much control as
I am willing to give to someone else. I certainly will
never use any service that decides what's good for
me on my behalf. If I wanted to do that I'd go Winblows,
DeadRat, Debilian, GenPooh, you name it ... :)

What I can't get from Pat I'll compile myself :}


Cheers,
Tink

Eh...I used swaret to upgrade to current. I won't lose sleep over this, but it is kind of disturbing. Maybe I'll use slapt-get instead.

Just to throw in my two cents, Luc is no longer the developer of SWareT; he stopped about a month and a half ago. LinuxSneaker took over and has done nothing but a great job at maintaining and improving SWareT. As for auto-upgrade software, only upgrade if you feel confident about it, and check the Slackware ChangeLog. Sometimes the ChangeLog has notes about packages that might change name or split apart, as was the case with elflibs->aaa_elflibs and oggutils splitting.

The orignal commentary is in the slapt-get comment section and is still on freshmeat. You can find it here: http://freshmeat.net/projects/slaptget/

The comments about the issues with swaret are dated Nov 2003. Looking at the date on swaret's freshmeat page, it says it was added on February 26th, 2004. So it was indeed deleted and has since been readded.

i dont really care what the author does/say.

ill use the software I want if its useful for me. if its not.. then ill throw it away.

Let me first say I like swaret.

I assume the guy guilty for swaret spam and slandering slapt-get would no longer be the maintainer. As of Feb 27, 2004, it was passed to a new maintainer, here is the post from the swaret announce forum:

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:08 pm Post subject: Major Announcement to All swaret Users

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Luc and I have talked, and I am now the official maintainer of swaret. He is still the man who created it, and he and I still have technical discussions, but his involvement will be less then it was.

The reason why I'm announcing this is because I am going to formalize the development of swaret. Utilizing tools provided by sourceforge, I will begin transitioning code and information over.

What does this mean for you? Good things-there will be CVS, a more formal bug tracking system, and more of a "swaret development team". That being said, if you are interested or have contributed in any part of swaret (documentation, i18n, main program) please e-mail me if you have a sourceforge account (which is free). We will set it up so that no single person is a bottleneck (in other words, me) for updating code/files/documentation.