As it should be.

Haha. :-)

All I'll say is that if, and that's a big IF, the time comes when Slackware has to switch to systemd, I'm sure it will be implemented in the sanest and stablest way possible. I trust Patrick and the whole team to make the right decisions in things like that so I'm not that concerned about it.

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I thought that was the other way around, with /etc/rc.d being the main way to start up scripts, and SysV wrappers for when a piece of software requires it.

It's a German proverb. It translates to "Sometimes pills don't help" and means that sometimes there is nothing one can do to prevent something.

Well, we will see what the future brings, but Patrick is right, let's not start another systemd thread.

The good thing is Slackware's BSD-SysV hybrid system simply works. Both BSD and SysV init scripts can be used equally which is good on all accounts.

As long as udev can be extracted from systemd nothing will probably change.

Could I ask have you ever tried Manjaro Linux my understanding is that is rock stable and updates don't break and you can enjoy Arch without the breakage.

I used arch and tried manjaro. As far as I can tell, manjaro "is" arch outdated by some weeks (which potentially leads to some security problems). This can be useful mostly to check if arch users are having problems with the updates since the Manjaro team is small so it's unlikely that they can fix/find more bugs then the arch team (so manjaro's devs have more information when it comes to push the packages for their users).

Anyway, from my experience, most of the breakage come from the AUR and don't know how manjaro can help there.

No Cinnamon was started by Clem from Mint and it is a fork of Gnome 3. MATE was started by Perberos who uses Arch from memory. The other founders of MATE use various systems with only Clem being Mint.

• SysV init executable and /etc/inittab.
• SysV style rc.<service> files that take start/stop/restart arguments.
• BSD style sequential rc script (rc.S/rc.M) instead of SysV runlevel directories and S00xxxxxxx/K00xxxxxxx symlinks.

IMO it's very sensible approach building on the good aspects of both systems.


P.S. Slackware does implement S00nnnnnn/K00nnnnn style runlevel directories, it's just that no one uses them and they're usually empty.

They are only there to support third party software, you need them for example for VMware Player and other software that does not support Slackware's init style (Virtualbox for example does that out of the box even with their binary installer).

Thanks for the responses guys. I'm happy to be coming back sysvinit as I'm far more familiar with it, but I think at some point in the not-to-distant-future, something is going to have to give. But that's a bridge we'll cross when we get to it.

Slackpkg+ looks really interesting, I'll definitely be make use of that.

GRUB2 for UEFI was a surprise, I thought we all didn't like GRUB. Ah well, makes no difference to me. Hopefully my motherboard will decide to co-operate this time around.

Quick Edit: I have not heard of or tried Manjaro, sorry. I'm more than happy to be back with Slackware, but perhaps I'll stick it in a VM sometime and give it a spin.

OK. I'm pretty happy with the way it works, GazL. Never did like the SysV init, and sure as hell don't like systemd.

Momentum seems to be there:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux....eneral/187624/

Oh, of course, I follow that discussion, I maintain a few Debian machines and am quite interested in the outcome. For now, systemd fans advocate systemd, Ubuntu people advocate Upstart, some people try to bring OpenRC in the mix, but at this point it seems to be pretty open which one they choose. Even LP thinks that it is a good idea to comment on that, with his usual "do it my way or you are wrong, we will be the future solution anyways" nonsense: https://plus.google.com/115547683951...ts/8RmiAQsW9qf

I for one still think that Debian should go for Upstart or OpenRC, so that there remains a counterweight to the systemd/CoreOS stuff.

I just read through most of that thread. Jesus, can't someone run a bus over that, erm, project?