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Almost back to the original question.... Along with the release of Wine-1.0 was the release of Crossover Office 7.0. Since it is a major contributor to the wine project it, this was to be expected.
Both Adobe CS2 and Office 2003 work as far as they have been run on cxoffice-7.0 so far. CS2 would not install on previous releases but Photoshop 7 would. I've had office 2003 working on previous releases of cxoffice.
I've used Cxoffice for years, it improves with each release, integrates well on my KDE desktop and with CUPS, is much less bother than Wine and for me it is worth the annual cost for continuous upgrade.
While some might scoff at paying for software used on Linux, I do not, and have required cxoffice up until recently to work on access databases brought home from work. With legacy documents I use Office 2003 but much less these days. My daughter is well versed in both Gimp, O.O, and Koffice but has digital art and media electives at school using adobe plus the usual ms office suite and since I can give her software continuity, I do. She's never had anything but Slack on her desktop and prefers Linux aps in most instances but she lives in an MS world just like I do.
Please use the application name ... Adobe is the company. They make more
than one app with CS2 as it's version. Your post is like some we get here
saying "I'm using Linux-10.3..."
I thought I was clear but perhaps not. I have run Adobe Photoshop 7.0 in previous versions of cxoffice. With cxoffice 7.0 I have successfully installed Adobe Photoshop CS2 on Slack-12.1.
I don't use it. My daughter does and she hasn't complained yet. There's some features in it that Gimp doesn't have which she uses at school.
I've just started using Photoshop 7.0 in Wine 1.0 in Slackware-12.1 with
my own custom 2.6.25.7 kernel. Although I've used it very little, so far
I've only had one problem. The text tool would not work because Photoshop
under Wine said it didn't have a default font. I used some fonts that are
exe files from SourceForge (from M$ previously released web fonts or whatever)
and installed them with Wine and that issue was resolved. I am using some
custom fonts such as Felix Titling, that I installed to /usr/share/fonts/TTF/
from my Windows XP OS.
I also can't use GIMP, for several reasons ... the most important being that it
cannot handle CMYK.
I noted somewhere along the line that Adobe Photoshop CS-2 would not install correctly if a certain font was not present. I can't say more about that than the following:
Cxoffice will install programs as if they are being installed on a MS OS and when I installed Adobe Photoshop CS-2 it downloaded a font and/or some program other dealing with xml.
I haven't gotten around to sorting out what the xml ap was required for but I'm pretty sure the font was the one required in order for Adobe Photoshop CS-2 to run. Its running on one quarantined workstation until I sort it out to my satisfaction but for the sake of domestic tranquility..............
This is why I use cxoffice. I get myself into enuf strife and paying for something every now and again saves some time and hence is worth the dinero.
i use wine-1.0 to run:
- photoshop 7 (run very good, just had two problems, with fonts and using cloning Stamp Tool, but easy to fix)
- utorrent (for some reason download better than linux clients)
- getright (can be integrated to firefox with flashgot )
- winrar (run without problem, also there are a script to integrate with KDE)
Quick fix for photoshop7 fonts: install corefonts with winetricks
This is why I use cxoffice. I get myself into enuf strife and paying for something every now and again saves some time and hence is worth the dinero.
I hesitated to reply to your mentions of a product that is not open source, and is
not free, for several posts. However, you persist. This thread is about WINE, and the
OP did put WINE in all caps.
I have already paid for Windows, and would not pay for Cross Over Office to run Windows
apps in Slackware when Wine is free, and Windows runs the two apps that my work requires
(Adobe InDesign CS2 and Photoshop 7.0) natively with no problems.
Almost back to the original question.... Along with the release of Wine-1.0 was the release of Crossover Office 7.0. Since it is a major contributor to the wine project it, this was to be expected.
The fact is that CodeWeavers hired the Wine developer, Alexandre Julliard, to work for them.
From that time until now, Codeweavers' CrossOver products, that are not open source, and
are not free as Wine, get the code first and Wine may or may not get it later.
Now Google is pouring money into the development of Wine, and it is increasingly improved
at a much faster rate than Codeweavers has ever done.
there is a access/excel 2003 runtime available - anyone tried on wine1?
Are you talking about the viewer programs that just let you view Access and Excel files? From what I have heard the MS Office Viewer programs work well in Wine 1.0. Or are you talking about VB, etc?
I hesitated to reply to your mentions of a product that is not open source, and is
not free, for several posts. However, you persist. This thread is about WINE, and the
OP did put WINE in all caps.
The way I see it someone asked about using wine and I just noted that I was successfully using a product based on wine and which also contributes to the WINE project. Please note the below from http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wine
Quote:
In order to alleviate some of these problems, CodeWeavers stepped in and started producing a commercialized version of Wine, which is much easier to use and hacked to work better with popular productivity programs such as Office, DreamWeaver, Lotus Notes and so on. TransGaming have done the same for games with their Cedega product(formerly WineX), but while CodeWeavers still contribute back heavily to the original Wine project, TransGaming have mostly left the community and work on their own proprietary fork.
Perhaps the WINE wiki is a bit dated and incorrect.
Licensing is always a debateable issue however may I bring to your attention the following snippit from section 2 of the CrossOver Linux Professional License Grant found at: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/...ertising/eula/ ?
Quote:
We include source code with each CD purchase of CrossOver Linux. Current
source code for Free Software contained within CrossOver products is also
generally available at our web site, www.codeweavers.com.
Before you jump to conclusions read the complete section 2 which goes on to say:
Quote:
CodeWeavers strongly believes in the Free Software movement. We believe
that the spirit of this movement makes it important for you to be able to
obtain these components for yourself, make changes, and then use those
changes with our Software.
Since you're a Maintainer on this list I suppose I should defer to your judgement. Perhaps if you had left it to correcting me for not properly identifying software I would have said OK and left it at that.
Quote:
I have already paid for Windows, and would not pay for Cross Over Office to run Windows
I pay an annual subscription fee for Cxoffice which adheres to all relevant licensing, which is based on WINE and which I have run on Slackware systems from somewhere around version 9.0 up until 12.1. This is so I can successfully run windows based software on Slackware boxes which I thought was relevant.
I also do that so I don't have to purchase Windows to use at home
If you want to purchase Windows to run windows based software that's your choice or perhaps your necessity. I have to use Win2k for SCADA interface software which I have no choice but to use. I hope to change that someday.
The only reason I came back to this thread again was because you posted right after me about having a font problem and I thought I was being helpful in discussing it in relation to the cxoffice install, Perhaps providing useful insight?
I believe you didn't clearly understand the CrossOver Linux Professional License Grant.
You quoted from "2. Free Software." under said license. That portion applies to:
Quote:
2. Free Software. The Software contained in this product includes some
components of Free Software, including software from the Wine Project,
Tcl, Tk, iTcl, and the Loki Software Setup software.
That is NOT about Codeweavers' software, which is NOT Free Software. It's about the free
software that Codeweavers uses as the base for CrossOver Linux.
The part pertaining to CrossOver's software code is under "3. Restrictions. The Software":
Quote:
3. Restrictions. The Software contains copyrighted material, trade secrets
and other proprietary material. In order to protect them, and except as
permitted by applicable legislation or by the Free Software licenses
detailed in Section 2, you may not:
a. decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise reduce the
Software to a human-perceivable form
b. rent, lend, loan, distribute or create derivative works based upon
the Software in whole or in part.
4. Term. This License is granted to you immediately upon purchase of a
license from CodeWeavers, or other related third party.
This License is effective until terminated. You may terminate this
License at any time by destroying the Software, related documentation and
all copies thereof.
This License will terminate immediately without notice from VENDOR if:
a. you use the Software in a fashion that exceeds the rights granted
to you by this license, OR
b. you fail to conclude the purchase transaction, OR
c. you request a refund.
If the Software was given to you for purposes of evaluation, then this
License will terminate at the end of the specified evaluation period,
typically 30 days.
Upon termination you must destroy the Software, related documentation and
all copies thereof.
* bold used for emphasis
This is not the spirit or the letter of "free and open source software". Codeweavers likes
"free and open source" software, such as Wine, Tcl, Tk, iTcl, and Loki because they use it
as the base for their software without having to pay for it's development. Section 3 sounds
more like the Micro$oft EULA, than the GNU.
You have either (a) purchased a copy of Windows, or (b) are violating the law by the
installation and use of pirated software. Which is my point ... since I already paid
for Windows, and the software in question was written for Windows, I would consider it
"not too bright" to purchase CrossOver; where the software written for Windows does NOT
work as good as it does under Windows. Additionally, Wine is free and open source,
unlike Windows XP or Codeweavers' CrossOver Linux Professional.
So I will restate it: CrossOver Linux Professional is NOT free and open source software
Are you talking about the viewer programs that just let you view Access and Excel files? From what I have heard the MS Office Viewer programs work well in Wine 1.0. Or are you talking about VB, etc?
Exactely, the viewers.
I would like to hear more about them since they are not bound to a separate paid licence, yet allow for 3rd party applications to run without the office suite.
VB (Visual Basic) is sold to COREL? or?
Exactely, the viewers.
I would like to hear more about them since they are not bound to a separate paid licence, yet allow for 3rd party applications to run without the office suite.
VB (Visual Basic) is sold to COREL? or?
Looking through the appdb it appears that the viewer program for access (Snapshot Viewer) does not work too well, but the Excel Viewer is reported to work fine. The install instructions say you will need the cabextract program. It looks like very easy to install.
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