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Old 07-12-2012, 01:24 PM   #16
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That's another illusion shattered. First they told me there was no Santa Claus, now this...it's too much to bear.
Hahaha... Santa Claus exists... just now does everything through internet... I think he asked Pat to config their "North Pole Server"...
 
Old 07-12-2012, 06:34 PM   #17
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Hello,

I, with the help of members of forum.slackware.pl, am attempting to translate the recent interview with Patrick Volkerding. We don't agree with something and I need help understanding Pat's words here:

"The challenge over the next five years will be to remain true to Slackware's roots in UNIX philosophy as other projects and developers to may have completely different goals contribute to Linux as a whole."

English is not my first language and I find "to may" strange. Is it only me or is this correct? Anyway...

Did he (or you, if it's the man himself reading this mean that:
1. [Slackware] and [other projects], each having different philosophy and goals, both contribute to Linux as a whole or
2. just [other projects] have different philosophy and goals to contribute to Linux as a whole.
The goals of certain Linux distributions are to redevelop Linux into a system that is farther away from UNIX and become a fully automated system with less need for the administrator to configure and load things through scripts or manually. While Slackware has been more inclined to be similar to how BSD utilizes the system having more things available to the administrator, some like Red Hat want to take Linux in directions like Windows where automation is how everything is handled using the systemd design.
 
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:11 PM   #18
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I am sorry, I couldn't help it...



Pity the poor human Earth Pink who comes looking for a SIMPLE, SHORT EXPLANATION of Patrick's words, one that he or she can UNDERSTAND QUICKLY. If LQ could provide that, Slackware would be bigger than Mint or Ubuntu by now -- and probably much, much worse.

A True Slacker, however, understands EVERYTHING, INSTANTLY upon exposure to the Word or even just the ChangeLog of Pat.

The next step after reading the Patrick Volkerding interview (links above) would be to procure THE SLACKBOOK and its companion volume, LINUX COMPLETE REFERENCE, from the Slackware store, EBay, or better bookstores anywhere. (The feature-length video, ARISE!, will do in a pinch for illiterates.) There are samples of these masterpieces and other primal Slackware liturgy in the BOOK section.

There are also several SLAQs and FAQs from various Slackers who, over the years, did their very best to explain the unexplainable.
I think Mr. Strickland from Back to the Future would be proud of this posting.
 
Old 07-12-2012, 10:17 PM   #19
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The goals of certain Linux distributions are to redevelop Linux into a system that is farther away from UNIX and become a fully automated system with less need for the administrator to configure and load things through scripts or manually. While Slackware has been more inclined to be similar to how BSD utilizes the system having more things available to the administrator, some like Red Hat want to take Linux in directions like Windows where automation is how everything is handled using the systemd design.
Makes a lot of sense they are trying it on Fedora to see if it gets a good feedback though before embracing it. I think that if enough people complain the project will just crash on its own. After all they are dependent on their users to a certain degree. If everything was just automated then why not use Windows? Allthough I agree that Redhat does things more automated as opposed to BSD style lets see if they embrace the systemd code for themselves from Fedora. If it makes things unnecessarily more complex then that would be Redhat's downfall and many users would use to an OS like Slack.
 
Old 07-12-2012, 11:19 PM   #20
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The spirit of unix and the linux project was to develop and open communications world wide that would be freely accessible to all not dominated by governments or markets. Kind of a movement of bring the world's people together for open discourse which in turn cultivate greater human understanding amongst ourselves for better relations. Unix and the Linux project is a tool tor communication that is untethered but people must be able to learn how to build an use this tool in so doing there is freedom & hope of human survival.
Most distros are being driven by market share and ease of use which will shutdown the spirit in which unix was pioneered and developed. Unix is not for sudo intellectuals to show off how smart they think they are. Unix is freedom for the world's people to meet eand know each other in peace. Free communication technology. I believe this is what Patrick was referring to and the philosophy that is being diverged
from. What freedom people give up in the name of 'Ease of Use'. Why have Linus,Patrick and others devoted their entire lives to the 'Unix' & 'Linux' Projects, virtually without monetary gain? Geniuses sacrificing all their lives,they could have built software for banks, military and government. Thank you Patrick your work and that of so many others does not fall on deaf ears. That's all I have to say about that.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 01:28 AM   #21
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Hi there! That was a thinko that slipped through my editing: "to" should have been "that".
Thanks for taking the time to respond
 
Old 07-16-2012, 11:06 PM   #22
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You do not need to understand his words, copy them and begin to worship, worshop.... ah whatever, he is my god and spelling/grammar do not matter, nor comprehension.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 11:33 PM   #23
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Well, I didn't realise, when I first found myself drawn to Slackware, that I was joining an intergalactic federation of space hippies.
I can't explain why I'm drawn to it, but drawn I am (and have been since I first came across it when I was first starting out with Linux, some 10 years ago) - I don't program, I know no programing languages, I'm no secret sys-admin. I find most of the conversations that go on on the slackware forum way above me technically speaking. But I do like slackware. A lot. "Lean" is the word that springs to mind. Lean like a supermodel is lean.
And not like one of those overmade up, peroxide blondes, with half a ton of silicone injected into them types (Windows, OSX, Ubuntu et al).

Ubuntu - an ancient word that means "money ruins everything".
 
Old 07-17-2012, 04:51 AM   #24
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one of those overmade up, peroxide blondes, with half a ton of silicone injected into them types
I like them , while
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Windows, OSX, Ubuntu et al
aren't even fun to look at
 
Old 07-17-2012, 09:02 PM   #25
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Well, I didn't realise, when I first found myself drawn to Slackware, that I was joining an intergalactic federation of space hippies.
I object to that characterization!

I didn't think that Slackware had spread beyond Earth yet.



To the original poster: I think it's great that you're translating material for a wider audience. It's also nice that Patrick chimed in and gave you the answer you were looking for.

Regards,
 
Old 07-17-2012, 09:56 PM   #26
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I object to that characterization!

I didn't think that Slackware had spread beyond Earth yet.
See here.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 04:23 PM   #27
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I've always known that I don't scale, but it's becoming pretty painfully obvious that acting as the commit master for everything going into the -current tree isn't going to be sustainable for very much longer as the number of support packages needed for KDE and other things continues to grow.
What does 'scale' mean in this particular context? Is it used metaphorically with the following meaning:
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To make in accord with a particular proportion or scale: Scale the model to be one tenth of actual size.
or is it an idiom meaning something else?

Thank you.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:16 PM   #28
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It's an idiom meaning something else. Going back many years when SMP was a novelty, people would fret about how well performance would scale up when adding more processors (for example). There would always be a point where performance would fail to scale linearly with the number of processors: the limiting bottleneck would become painfully apparent.

Then the day came when people were criticising Linus' role in kernel development. He had become the limiting bottleneck. "Linus doesn't scale", was the witty accusation, and indeed he didn't; he was overwhelmed as more kernel contributors were added. Google "Linus doesn't scale" to read contemporary accounts. In response to this problem, new workflows were developed involving distributed source control: first Bitkeeper, then git. Since then, the new limits of Linus' personal scalability have not yet been fully explored.

Patrick is explicitly invoking these memories.

These days, people are more likely to worry whether a business model or process "doesn't scale". Businesses that don't scale don't grow.
 
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:18 PM   #29
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Thanks a lot, 55020.
 
Old 09-21-2012, 06:22 AM   #30
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Polish translation

The translation is finally completed (it has been for over 2 weeks now). Took us longer than I expected, but I guess it's understandable when a few strangers work on a project without using any version control system (I didn't think it was worth setting it up for a text of that length).

Anyway, if anybody's interested, here's the link to the Polish translation of the interview with Patrick.
 
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