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Old 07-02-2013, 07:34 AM   #16
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So I decided on the Toshiba based on lack of negative reviews, 3 yr warranty and 1TB more for $8. The Toshiba is now on the way.
2 year warranty-
http://storage.toshiba.com/storageso...dt01aca-series

You generally get what you pay for in markets as competitive as HDDs. 2TB 2 year warranty or 1TB 5 year warranty for a very similar price....

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That is generally a reliable indicator of how much the manufacturer trusts the model.


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The 10,000 rpm WD Raptors are an excellent disk but pricey.
and very noisy. I could see the point of them a few years ago, but these days SSDs are superiour IMO (faster, quiter, lower power consunmption).

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That said, I would definitely stay away from the Western Digital Reds. I think they are marketed mostly for RAID, but even so, the failure rate of those belonging to people I know has been close to 20 percent. The reviews on Newegg are scary.
Reds are more for NAS than RAID (yes, there is a major crossover). They are pretty much WD Green drives with a few tweaks.

It does make sense in some ways, you dont really need 2 or more 'fast' drives on a NAS with a speed limit of 1 gigabit.

I dont really trust newegg 'reviews' for various reasons, but I do think there has been some teething troubles with the Reds. Not really unexpected, they are slower and cheaper drives than the 'RE' (RAID Edition) enterprise drives.

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Old 07-02-2013, 08:37 AM   #17
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Over the years I've become leery of Seagate drives -- had a bunch of failures starting with the 96 MB drives they made in the 80's (every one I sold to customers I had to replace). I've become partial to IBM and Western Digital (a pair of WD drivea have been working in one box, running 24/7, for, oh, lemme see, since 2004 now -- they're about due, methinks).

I've sort of learned that huge drives tend, in my experience, to go blooie earlier. I kind of limit myself to 500 GB and will wait a while longer to adopt terabyte drives (hell, I haven't gotten anywhere close to 500 GB on my data base servers, what the heck do I need with a terabyte?).

I've heard good words about Toshiba, no experience though.

It's a tough choice, kind of a crap shoot, back up early and often.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 09:16 AM   #18
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Having worked in the RMA for several OEMs I have never seen that a specific brand has a higher failure rate than others. Based on this experience I just buy my disks with regards to needed features and price, I don't prefer or reject any manufacturer.
Did you work for maxtor at the 80GB era ?
 
Old 07-02-2013, 09:24 AM   #19
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Did you work for maxtor at the 80GB era ?
No, I have not worked for any manufacturer, only OEMs, selling PC systems to the masses. Of course you will sometimes see problems with whole series of drives (IBM DeskStar anyone?), but those usually are quickly fixed and people in any case I know of got a working replacement drive or a refund.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 10:02 AM   #20
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He he - great minds think alike ... I could have written your post word for word as to my own experiences.
I have always limited myself to the 500-gig mark - and I have 8 yo drives in a multitude of rigs - still going strong.
'ts certainly true that 'the bigger they are, the harder they fall' (ie. bigger drives tend to fail more often).
I have always been fond of Samsung - never had any problems there. Seagate and WD I stay away from - too many failures.
All the IBM-disks I have come across run v-e-r-y hot, though they seldom seem to fail ...
However, all that being said and done - I still believe its more the 'luck of the draw' (or crap-shoot if you will)
 
Old 07-02-2013, 10:27 AM   #21
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@tronayne
All the IBM-disks I have come across run v-e-r-y hot, though they seldom seem to fail ...
However, all that being said and done - I still believe its more the 'luck of the draw' (or crap-shoot if you will)
Yeah, I've wondered about that -- IBM seems to build 'em (anymore) like tanks but you have to wonder how's come they get hot (well, hotter than others), not burn your finger, but not comfortable either. I mean, it's just a motor spinning platters for Pete's sake.

Samsung seems to build a lot of stuff that works pretty good over time (saw one of their 6' LED TV's not too long ago -- knock your socks off picture on the thing, Big Bucks, too). Heard lots of good words about their drives and, given the age of my WD drives, I'll get on to Micro Center and see about having them ship a couple for the parts-'n'-pieces closet.
 
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@tronayne,
Funnily enough - I had a raid-box with 15 WD drives in it (400 gig) and half of them failed in less than 6 months!
I 'decommissioned' the raid and used the remaining disks in some oldish optoplex-280 I had kicking around. That's some 3 years now and I haven't had a single failure of those disks since ... *shaking head* - go figger!!
 
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:06 PM   #23
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2 year warranty-
http://storage.toshiba.com/storageso...dt01aca-series

You generally get what you pay for in markets as competitive as HDDs. 2TB 2 year warranty or 1TB 5 year warranty for a very similar price....
I clearly remember seeing 3 yr. listed - but cannot find it now. Clearly it is 2yr... oh well!

I go cross-eyed when reading these things!

I also agree somewhat on reading the reviews. The way I approach it is to read the bad reviews and look for recurring product problems as opposed to dissatisfaction from other causes. When looking at drives from that perspective you can see trends like "Failed affter 2 months...", or their absence.

In the case of the Toshiba drive, there were a good sampling of reviews (30+) and only one that was potentially an early failure (DOA which was blamed on storage at extreme cold temps). The drive was introduced spring 2012, so I thought that was a fair indicator.

I will update this thread if I have any surprises!

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Old 07-12-2013, 01:08 AM   #24
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UPDATE...

I received the Toshiba drive and installed the new system today.

For completeness: Toshiba HDKPC09 (DT01ACA200), 2TB.

Initial comments - all good!

Totally quiet.

VERY cool! If it had come with sunglasses I could take it out to pick up chicks!

Seriously, I had it connected outside the box (i.e. no forced air) all day while installing from a local -current repo, plus many GBs from backup and other systems - __really__ cool all the while.

And did I say fast? It is notably faster than the Seagate 750GB it replaces.

This is my first >1TB drive, first day, first impressions all very good!

If it holds up I am a very happy camper!
 
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:18 PM   #25
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It may sound absurd but biggest is the HD fastest is.
This is because data density is higher so head has to travel less.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 02:27 PM   #26
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I bought a Caviar Red a few days ago. So far I've been happy with its speed, quietness, and minimizing of heat.

* touch wood
I'd just like to follow up and say that the drive is still working great. I'm very happy with it.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:01 PM   #27
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Avoid Western Dildoe drives!

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@tronayne,
Funnily enough - I had a raid-box with 15 WD drives in it (400 gig) and half of them failed in less than 6 months!
I 'decommissioned' the raid and used the remaining disks in some oldish optoplex-280 I had kicking around. That's some 3 years now and I haven't had a single failure of those disks since ... *shaking head* - go figger!!
I've consistently experienced a failure rate ~ 50% from this slop-shop brand regardless of configuration, OS, hardware attached. Western Dildoe excretes the world's least realiable storage folks. Look up some data on WHICH brand keeps the data recovery specialists in the most business. I did, after a catastrophic double failure on a WD meant to replace an aging ATA HDD 12 yrs ago. My wife's brand new Samsung laptop this spring came pre-infested w M$ Winblowz 8 on a WD drive, in "secure boot" mode w a particularly noxious Samsung UEFI implementation. The 500 GB WD5000BPVT NEVER WORKED! WD "kwawlitee" has remained constant over the 12 years. I can cite other anecdotes from the computer recycling shop I used to hang out with. For reliable computing: AVOID WESTERN DILDOE!

THANK GOD FOR GNU, SLACKWARE and Toshiba!
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:33 PM   #28
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I've consistently experienced a failure rate ~ 50% from this slop-shop brand regardless of configuration, OS, hardware attached. Western Dildoe excretes the world's least realiable storage folks. Look up some data on WHICH brand keeps the data recovery specialists in the most business. I did, after a catastrophic double failure on a WD meant to replace an aging ATA HDD 12 yrs ago. My wife's brand new Samsung laptop this spring came pre-infested w M$ Winblowz 8 on a WD drive, in "secure boot" mode w a particularly noxious Samsung UEFI implementation. The 500 GB WD5000BPVT NEVER WORKED! WD "kwawlitee" has remained constant over the 12 years. I can cite other anecdotes from the computer recycling shop I used to hang out with. For reliable computing: AVOID WESTERN DILDOE!

THANK GOD FOR GNU, SLACKWARE and Toshiba!
At first, thanks for making your post unavailable for anyone searching information about Western Digital with not using the original name.
I can only say what I always say when things like that come up: I worked for several OEMs over the years, mostly in QA and RMA, and there is no brand that has better quality than others or a lower failure rate. Anecdotal evidence is no evidence, but I can also add one, from my main machine:
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>>> smartctl -a /dev/sdc                                                                                                               demon 19:18:10 ~ [INS]
smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-3.12.0-rc5-sl2] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar Green
Device Model:     WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0
Serial Number:    WD-WCAV90498516
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 10209d052
Firmware Version: 01.00A01
User Capacity:    500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:    Mon Nov 11 19:18:21 2013 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
 


 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   070   070   000    Old_age   Always       -       22012



196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0



No Errors Logged
 
Old 11-11-2013, 01:54 PM   #29
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I used to work support for a few large firms in the uk and would have to agree with TobiSGD that it seems more luck than any particular brand failing more than another. I am going to curse my self now but i had a death star drive years back and although it's not in use any more it does still work and is around the house somewhere, and my current hard drive is a MDT which as i understand refurbished Weston Digital drive.

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smartctl -a /dev/sda
smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-3.10.14] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     MDT MD5000AAKS-00A7B0
Serial Number:    MDT-MCASY1185612
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2ac57f20f
Firmware Version: 01.03B01
User Capacity:    500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:    Mon Nov 11 19:30:01 2013 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE

  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0

  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   058   058   000    Old_age   Always       -       31308

  196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
 
Old 11-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #30
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While this thread is currently resurrected I'll add that my Toshiba has lived up to all my expectations so far.

Daily use (haven't checked hours lately and it is offline at the moment) but lots of activity and has been moved around quite a bit as well. Very happy camper!


For completeness: Toshiba HDKPC09 (DT01ACA200), 2TB.
 
  


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