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Old 02-11-2008, 10:43 AM   #1
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Fullscreen CLI dims out after exit X


This is kind of a weird problem.

Fresh install of 12.0

Using standard "vesa" drivers. Every time that I
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startx
And then shutdown x to return to the fullscreen CLI, The screen gets about 50% dimmer. After three 'startx' and 'exit' the screen is so dim that it is black and I cannot read a thing.

The other problem I'm having is this:
starting x as root or super user works fine (but I don't want to do this!!)

When I try to start as a normal user, x just loads up to the point where I have a black X on my screen against a greyish background, and nothing else.

Maybe I didn't set the permissions right for that account? I'm very new to linux/slackware, have a little Debian background, any clues much appreciated.
 
Old 02-12-2008, 12:52 AM   #2
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i have few comments
first i thought it was because of framebuffer, check for the modules loaded,
if so, get rid of framebuffer and check.

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The other problem I'm having is this:
starting x as root or super user works fine (but I don't want to do this!!)
sound interesting, no idea

Edit: compile the correspondig driver for your graphics card and load, then try startx

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Old 02-13-2008, 12:00 AM   #3
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thanks for reply, will look into it..

thats the other problem i have in slackware.

i'm currently running debian lenny, but had a hard time getting the 'fglrx' drivers from ati working for my graphics card. if it wasn't a laptop, i'd get rid of this card immediately! its way more trouble than its worth. anyway, its working now, but i cannot find any resources for installing the fglrx driver in Slackware.

also, the problem with only starting fine as root and not normal user was resolved by deleting an old .Xauthority file I had in my /home directory.
after deleted, $startx normally, and it created a new one.
 
Old 02-13-2008, 04:32 AM   #4
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thanks for reply, will look into it..

thats the other problem i have in slackware.

i'm currently running debian lenny, but had a hard time getting the 'fglrx' drivers from ati working for my graphics card. if it wasn't a laptop, i'd get rid of this card immediately! its way more trouble than its worth. anyway, its working now, but i cannot find any resources for installing the fglrx driver in Slackware.
good tht u have ati!!!! (not nvidia)
ati have open driver called radeon, so if you compile kernel enable this and the device section instead of vesa put radeon, this will load the driver, generic kernel will have it compiled as module and u can easily load it by doing startx.

for proprietary driver go to ati page download the linux dirver, install it and ask it to change the xorg file, you will get the dri

we dont need additional stuffs, just the binary from ati
regards
 
Old 02-14-2008, 10:16 PM   #5
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good tht u have ati!!!! (not nvidia)
I still don't understand why nVidia is always under so much fire. Yes, its drivers are proprietary (much like the pre-AMD ATI drivers), and any open-source drivers are community-built (much like the pre-AMD ATI drivers). As for performance, I think nVidia is at least as good as ATI, and I've never had any problems installing the driver in Windows or in Linux. I'm not an nVidia fanboy (I like nVidia and would definitely consider buying an nVidia card again, but I'm pretty cheap and money usually decides which card I buy), but I don't understand the bashing. Can you enlighten me as to what is so horrible about nVidia and what is so miraculous about ATI?
 
Old 02-15-2008, 12:14 AM   #6
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Hnh, my only linux experience is with ati, and the fglrx drivers. And let me tell you, its been kind of hard. The only decent 3D support I've gotten has been in Ubuntu.. too bad I hate ubuntu. Things have been *quite* slow in Debian.. I compiled the drivers from source with my kernel headers, and the resulting module runs pretty slow, but maybe I did something wrong.

Is nVidia just as bad or even hard to get decent 3d support from in linux? I had always assumed it was easier because ati was such a pain in the butt.

also, using the 'radeon' drivers doesn't work for my card, ati x1400 mobility. i get errors and 'startx' won't go. its vesa or fglrx for me. and i've only been able to get fglrx to work in debian, granted i haven't tried much for slackware. i'm putting that on hold for a minute until my slackware book comes in the mail...
 
Old 02-15-2008, 04:09 AM   #7
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I still don't understand why nVidia is always under so much fire.
in future ati will have open drivers, they have clearly mentioned that

now at present, the open driver called "radeon " give 3d acceleration, i used radeonfb for frame buffer and it worked on an integrated graphics machine.

i have tried configuring ati from a gentoo machine, and it was a success.
this is going to be my rule
NEVER USE ANY HARDWARE WHICH WILL NOT SUPPORT LINUX
in that case, ati is my preferred choice

ofcourse nvidia gives its proprietary junk driver, it took one month for me to get my old integrated graphics work on my office machine, and i had to patch a few files, that too with some older driver.

atleast nvidia can give good linux drivers, they dont need to reveal their secret
 
Old 02-15-2008, 04:24 AM   #8
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The only decent 3D support I've gotten has been in Ubuntu.. too bad I hate ubuntu.
if it works for ubuntu then it should work for any linux, for slackware sure.

i used ati on a gentoo laptop, and it worked !!!, the only problem was watermark and i cleared it.

run their installer, it is gui!, run aticonfig --initial, modeprobe fglrx, or reboot

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Is nVidia just as bad or even hard to get decent 3d support from in linux? I had always assumed it was easier because ati was such a pain in the butt.
both are almost same, but i had bad experience with nvidia..(even on a slackware machine it was causing problem tht too for 1 month) somehow it worked but no xgl!!

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also, using the 'radeon' drivers doesn't work for my card, ati x1400 mobility.
check for gentoo wiki - with open driver, they have all the details

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granted i haven't tried much for slackware. i'm putting that on hold for a minute until my slackware book comes in the mail...
do it, post the error here, everyone will help you.

edit: never use slackware based package for ati diver installation
regards

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Old 02-16-2008, 12:12 AM   #9
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This will probably be my last post in this thread simply because I feel like I'm hijacking it, which wasn't my intent (however, I will reply if you say something interesting). I haven't had any problems with the nVidia driver, and it's been as simple as downloading their file and running it. Nothing more. I agree that an open driver would be preferable, but nVidia's drivers, although proprietary, are quite good, and the xorg.conf file can be updated automatically to enable DRI upon installation. If it took you a month to get it to work, you are either doing something wrong (although there isn't much to do incorrectly), this was a long time ago and the drivers were not as good as they are now, you have some seriously messed up hardware, or your system setup is completely and totally crap and somehow interferes with the nVidia driver installation (maybe you didn't have the kernel source handy and you still chose to compile the driver natively -- that would be bad). I've heard many horror stories trying to get fglrx working and fewer horror stories about nVidia drivers, but I'll just assume that's my ignorance.
 
Old 02-18-2008, 01:59 AM   #10
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for T3slider...
i have an nvidia graphic card(separate)in my home machine, it works, it is new, all 3d everything, but not with the old integrated one,(which does not even have a vesa support)
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If it took you a month to get it to work, you are either doing something wrong (although there isn't much to do incorrectly), this was a long time ago and the drivers were not as good as they are now
it is a long story, nvidia drivers worked till i upgrade my slack to 12.
i downloaded the dvd image, mounted it, followed pats way, upgraded,
and i found that x is not working, this board have no vesa support. i only have 256 mb ram,
recompiled the kernel, trycompiling nvidia module, not working.
machine freezes
so what u will do?
recompile the kernel again and again, tried new kernel, thinking it as my problem, no hope (each time i had to reboot, by force powerdown) i thought i might have screwed up the xorg while upgrading.
and reinstalled slackware, from scratch, kernel up!!
this, i did within 1 hr, again the process of building module for nvida. no hope.
i searched internet. like freezing at startx.
finally i posted i nvforum, no hope then i was searching the various forums in invidia i found this link
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...=100920&page=2

i tried this patch, edited few source files by hand, still it was buggy, and the funny thing is newer drivers never works, i had to download an old driver & patch it

still my machine dont have cube and other stuffs, but compositor is working
anyway atleast i have a X, i am happy, now using xfce.

"
and do u think that it can be made within one week. i never thought tht it was nvidia problem!! because it always worked!!, but this was hell"

suppose it nvidia had open source drivers i could have tried that and if any error occurs, i can send a bug ask help from them etc..

and ati clearly said that they are going for open source in future, also with radeon drivers we can get 3d acceleration.
suppose linux people dont buy nvidia they will give nice drivers.

Note: suppose i want all working drivers, no configuration, i could have tried window$, why all these struggle. we slackers have a different way looking at an os and using it,
regards rkrishna

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