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Old 10-13-2008, 01:05 PM   #46
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Forgot to mention the most important thing: can't get a shell or terminal on both systems. So any editing or whatever I want to do has to be done before I try startx.

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Old 10-13-2008, 01:08 PM   #47
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This penguin button is from fvwm95, some bad attempt to mix fvwm with Windows 95.
The fvwm2 window-manager is better, at least I used it fore some time until I made the move to KDE.

You can configure which wm to use changing another 'x'-file. (no pun intended)
I think it is ~/xinitrc or something (at work now, no access to my desktop at home).

KDE became available in Slackware 4.0 I think, but not 100% sure exactly when it was introduced.

This CPU usage is strange... I had this problem with Slackware 1.1.2, but not with 3.5
Tonight I check how my CPU behaves before and after starting the VM.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 01:11 PM   #48
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I thought it might be fvwm95 with the windowsy look to the taskbar. Yet the other desktop, on my laptop, looked like the straight fvwm. Strange.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 01:17 PM   #49
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Clicking with the mouse on the root window (the grey or blue background) should give you a menu with several options, one of them being xterm or rxvt.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 01:29 PM   #50
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That's the problem, I can't use the mouse in the window. I'll probably have to edit XF86Config in the mouse section, or maybe some other config file.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 04:08 PM   #51
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Copying some info from my configuration files in Slackware 3.5:

Mouse
in /etc/rc.d/rc.local I load gpm:
Code:
gpm -R -m /dev/mouse -t imps2
In /etc/XF86Config I use the "repeater mode" as suggested in one of the man pages:
Code:
Section "Pointer"
    Protocol    "MouseSystems"
    Device      "/dev/gpmdata"
VGA
For the screen I use the standard VGA device:
Code:
# Standard VGA Device:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Generic VGA"
    VendorName  "Unknown"
    BoardName   "Unknown"
    Chipset     "generic"

    VideoRam    4096

    Clocks      25.2 28.3 36 45
and define the server as follows:
Code:
# The 16-color VGA server

Section "Screen"
    Driver      "vga16"
    Device      "Generic VGA"
    Monitor     "LG"
    Subsection "Display"
        Modes       "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
        Virtual     640 480
    EndSubsection
EndSection
(monitor is whatever you configured as your monitor in XF86Config)

Now about the CPU utilization...
My desktop is a P4 2.66GHz, single processor, 1GB of memory.
Running X in my virtual Slackware 3.5 machine, my host shows in top:
Code:
...
Cpu(s):  0.7%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 99.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
...
  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
12166 niels     10 -10  117m  40m  34m S  1.7  4.0   0:34.65 vmware-vmx
...
So there is no stress from VMware using Slackware 3.5

On the other hand, when I fire up my Slackware 1.1.2 VM, I get this:
Code:
...
Cpu(s):  0.3%us, 99.0%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st
...
  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
12283 niels     10 -10  152m  76m  71m S 96.2  7.6   0:54.40 vmware-vmx
...
I have similar behavior with Windows 95 or DOS 3.3 in a VM.

I remember a story from the old days that Linux was much easier on the processor, putting it in a 'halt-state' if there is nothing to do, while DOS & Windows would be running in loops, consuming CPU-time. (this is how I remember it, so I might be mixing up some facts...)
Maybe the old 0.99 kernel had the same problem DOS had.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 04:38 PM   #52
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The 100% CPU use I get on both systems shows in red in htop. So they're under a bit of stress. And why was one core doing all the work? Laptop: Pentium Dual Core T2330 about 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM; Desktop: AMD Sempron 2600+ (1.833 GHz), 512 MB RAM.
I might give up trying with Qemu, and get VMWare on my laptop since it's got more RAM to do justice to virtualisation for up to date stuff as well as antiques . But I might just try a newer Slack on Qemu, something mid way between 3.5 and 12.1. It's fascinating and frustrating stuff.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 04:47 PM   #53
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I'm thinking of trying Slackware 4.0 next. It has the 2.2.6 kernel and KDE 1.1
That should be fun to see again...
 
Old 10-13-2008, 05:00 PM   #54
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Just been looking at the site where I got the 3.5.iso, might give 8.1 a try. Not sure if Qemu can cope with the really early ones. The first Slackware I installed, it was my first Linux distro, was 10.0, in late 2004 - early 2005, dual booting with Windows ME (yukk!), with a AMD Duron 1.3 GHz and 112 MB RAM.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 06:37 PM   #55
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Hi,
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The 100% CPU use I get on both systems shows in red in htop. So they're under a bit of stress. And why was one core doing all the work? Laptop: Pentium Dual Core T2330 about 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM; Desktop: AMD Sempron 2600+ (1.833 GHz), 512 MB RAM.
I might give up trying with Qemu, and get VMWare on my laptop since it's got more RAM to do justice to virtualisation for up to date stuff as well as antiques . But I might just try a newer Slack on Qemu, something mid way between 3.5 and 12.1. It's fascinating and frustrating stuff.
How about posting the output? I'm curious now.
 
Old 10-14-2008, 03:58 AM   #56
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Ah, I've found out that a single threaded process will only use one core.
I'm definitely going to give up trying to get 3.5 going with Qemu. If anybody else wants to try that particular combination, I'd be interested to see their results. I'm going to burn the .iso to CD, just in case I come across a computer from that period.

onebuck
Can't post the output, but the only relevant figure was the CPU use, Qemu hogging it at 100%. Why don't you join the Aged Slackware Revival Project?

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Old 10-14-2008, 05:06 AM   #57
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Now with KDE 1.1!

Yesterday I installed Slackware 4.0 from the original CD in another VM, just to relive the KDE 1.1 experience
The installation & configuration are almost the same as with 3.5.

I'll put a screenshot of the KDE desktop on my blog later...

BrianL:
I suggest trying VMware after all. It does have the VGA 640x480 limitation (at least for now, until I find a solution...) but I've been able to install about everything in it, including Slackware 1.1.2 (and even Windows 1.01 )
 
Old 10-14-2008, 05:20 AM   #58
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Yes, I'll definitely give VMWare a try.
Somebody's reopened a thread about old kernels now.
 
Old 10-14-2008, 06:06 AM   #59
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Yeah, I saw the thread about the old kernels... I have the source for 0.0.1 here as well, but never imagined trying to compile it
Playing with kernel 0.99 from Slackware 1.1.2 is good enough for me!
 
Old 10-14-2008, 06:51 AM   #60
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I've just spent a very frustrating 10 minutes or so on the VMware server registration page. Filled in all required fields, submit - comes back with claim that I hadn't filled this and that field in (which I definitely had!), then went through the same performance twice again!! Finally said "**** it!" and downloaded and installed the VMware Player (VMware-2.5.0-118166.i386.bundle), which is a shell script.
 
  


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