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Old 08-28-2012, 10:16 AM   #76
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No problems here with an NVidia card and driver (GTS 450 & 304.37).
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Updated driver to 304.43, still OK.

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Old 08-28-2012, 12:19 PM   #77
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Don't buy Nvidia's cards!
What useful stuff can I do on Slackware Linux without seeing anything on the monitor?
 
Old 08-28-2012, 01:44 PM   #78
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What useful stuff can I do on Slackware Linux without seeing anything on the monitor?
Headless server? lol
 
Old 08-28-2012, 09:59 PM   #79
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Nouveau works fine for me. I'll probably get the updated driver from Nvidia when the final release comes, but not before.
 
Old 08-30-2012, 01:28 PM   #80
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Stallman pissed everyone off, he is a fondamentalist and like every fondamentalist he is wrong.
We need fundamentalists and we need people who piss us off every now and again like RMS, as long as they don't rule the world.
 
Old 08-30-2012, 02:52 PM   #81
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I do regret that nVidia don't release theirs specs, which obviously makes a lot harder to develop nouveau.

On the other hand a least they provide decent drivers for Linux as well as a very good documentation for it.

I had a look at the content of /usr/doc/nvidia-driver-<version>/html and was impressed.

They even cared to include a chapter titled "Tips for New Linux Users" which could deserve to be included in Slackware Documentation

Furthermore the associated utilities nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-installer are released as GPL.

So, as we say here "ne jetons pas le bébé avec l'eau du bain".

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Old 08-30-2012, 03:34 PM   #82
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Nvidia actually has been actively contributing to Nouveau but, yes, progress still has been slow about getting them to open up fully about the hardware's specific details.

However, Nvidia has been able to supply stable drivers for hardware, even legacy hardware.

ATi/AMD however, they barely support their own hardware then dump it off on DRI to support after the next line up comes out, even if drivers aren't mature enough.
 
Old 08-31-2012, 10:57 AM   #83
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Nvidia actually has been actively contributing to Nouveau
From the official FAQ:

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1.7. Do you get any support from NVidia?

No, we don’t get any support from NVidia, no specs, docs, nor sources. We started our code from the nv Xorg driver. That driver used to be maintained by NVidia and supports all cards up to NVC0, but only for 2-D and nv’s 2D acceleration is very slow compared to nouveau’s.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 03:11 AM   #84
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Stallman pissed everyone off, he is a fondamentalist and like every fondamentalist he is wrong.
The problem is, if Stallman was to endorse something proprietary or released under a non-free compatible but open source license (such as a BSD style license) he would be basically undoing more than 30 years of work. If one piece of non-free software is ok, why isn't all of it? Maybe he is taking it too far. The last I heard, he refused to use a laptop where the BIOS was closed source (a subject that was once considered OK by FSF).

I think Torvalds once said that he uses whatever software is required to get the job done (FOSS or proprietary), but the only correct way to develop is open source. This might not be the best attitude to take, but at least you aren't putting walls up in front of yourself.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 02:37 PM   #85
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Linus Torvalds knows very well that proprietary software is toxic, hence his uncompromising stance on keeping GPL-incompatible code out of Linux. There is something about Torvalds, though, that makes him a poor case study for how awful non-free software can be: he is a demigod when it comes to computing. When he couldn't find a kernel that wouldn't screw him, he wrote one. And when BitKeeper started screwing him, he made it all but obsolete by writing git. My point is, just because Linus can use proprietary software without any ill effects, it doesn't mean regular people can do the same. As Stallman was saying for the last 30 years, the contrary is the case, and the script never changes. Users get seduced by a piece of crap in a shiny wrapper, they start using it, then they get addicted, then they get locked in, and finally they start getting screwed. And since they can't simply code themselves out of this trap like Linus, they continue getting screwed and paying for the privilege.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 03:05 PM   #86
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Again, let's distinguish proprietary vs closed source. And in some cases (voice recognition comes to my mind) there is neither free nor open source alternative in par with a proprietary one, at least in the Linux ecosystem. So I bought Dragon Naturally Speaking as IMO it's worth the money and don't feel guilty for that.

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Old 09-27-2012, 03:37 PM   #87
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I use working Software. Slackware fits that catagory. As do other distros. As far as what is free and what is not, I really don't care, as long as it works. I have no problem with dowlnloading and installing nVidia drivers, Broadcom drivers, etc. I've even paid for some Linux Software, and distros. I've Bought SuSE and Mandrake. As long as it works for me I'm fine with it.

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Amen, bro!

I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E530, which came with a Broadcom 4313 wifi chip. I had to download the official Broadcom drivers from their website, patch it to work with the 3.4.10 kernel I am running, and make the broadcom-sta package, from which I run the 4313. It works, and works well. I see no need to run official open-source driver, when the proprietary one(s) work just as well. I use Slackware to get work done, and concerns about the "freeness" of software do not enter into my considerations.
 
Old 09-28-2012, 09:22 AM   #88
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Amen, bro!

I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E530, which came with a Broadcom 4313 wifi chip. I had to download the official Broadcom drivers from their website, patch it to work with the 3.4.10 kernel I am running, and make the broadcom-sta package, from which I run the 4313. It works, and works well. I see no need to run official open-source driver, when the proprietary one(s) work just as well. I use Slackware to get work done, and concerns about the "freeness" of software do not enter into my considerations.
Hey, I also use Slackware "to get the job done", except that in my case, I don't consider a (potentially) backdoored OS to be doing its job. You now have closed source running in ring 0, so if you use your computer for anything besides playing Flash games or posting drunk pictures of yourself on Facebook, you've got a security/privacy issue on your hands. I personally wouldn't even browse porn on this system

This is a far cry from paranoia. Backdoors were the norm already back in 2006.
 
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:29 AM   #89
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It boggles the mind that some people just don't see the importance of security through transparency. It's like the story of the frog who's slowly being boiled to death. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. That's pretty much what's happening here folks and the problems beyond software.
 
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I went through 1000+ packages on the Slackware DVD and compiled the list of non-free software, check it out While I did my best to be thorough, it is not impossible that I missed something or made a mistake, so please let me know if you see an omission or a discrepancy. In particular, I couldn't figure out whether Sun's JDK is free.

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