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Old 10-12-2012, 11:09 AM   #46
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Yes, the ones presented in this very thread, as well as other clues.
So they changed the release cycles, because they felt they needed to somehow adapt to Chrome's release cycle. OK, but where is the evidence that they have done it because they are paid by Google?

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Mozilla is making itself look bad by ignoring enterprise (and I would say stability) concerns
Sure, that is why they introduced the ESR versions, which you are totally aware of, since you stated already that you want to switch to them.
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What improves with each new release of Firefox ?
Let's have a look at the changes in Firefox 16 that are not GUI related:
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Initial web app support (Windows/Mac/Linux)
Improvements around JavaScript responsiveness through incremental garbage collection
CSS3 Animations, Transitions, Transforms and Gradients unprefixed in Firefox 16
Reverse animation direction has been implemented
Or better Firefox 15?:
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Support for SPDY networking protocol v3
WebGL enhancements, including compressed textures for better performance
Optimized memory usage for add-ons
High precision event timer implemented
The CSS word-break property has been implemented.
Native support for the Opus audio codec added
The <audio> and <video> elements now support the played attribute
The <source> element now supports the media attribute
I see, no improvements.
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They release security fixes, but often there are security flaws with those fixes, as seen here.
So how often exactly does this happen? You seem to have some kind of statistics on this. And doesn't something like this happen to any large software project, just due to the nature of such projects?
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This all started with them trying to emulate Chrome for no apparent reason. Why would people need more than one Chrome ? Why does everyone have to be like Chrome ? Wouldn't they been better of just doing what they were doing for a very long time ? I think they would have, but someone make them change their mind all of a sudden. You think I have inside info on the deal ? No, and if I did, I doubt I would release it, nobody would believe it anyway.
So basically you are saying: "I don't like the direction they are heading, but I use Firefox nonetheless. And because I don't understand or know why they are heading in this direction I assume that there must be some kind of deal with Google, for which I have no evidence at all, but hey, Google is evil!"
That sounds somewhat weird, don't you think?
 
Old 10-12-2012, 11:12 AM   #47
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No evidence of a conspiracy != No conspiracy.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 11:39 AM   #48
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No evidence of a conspiracy != No conspiracy.
No evidence for the teapot revolving the sun != no teapot revolving the sun.
Claiming things that you don't have a proof for is simply pointless.
Otherwise I could say that it it is in reality Microsoft that is paying the Mozilla team for doing this things. i don't have an evidence for that, but hey, Microsoft is evil.
Replace Microsoft in that sentence with Satan, Loki, SCO, Lennart Poettering, the communists or whatever entity you believe to be evil, it doesn't matter at all which one you choose.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 12:13 PM   #49
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THEY are all against us. Only "Bob" is for us.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 12:22 PM   #50
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Anyway, I am using FF ESR, it seems to work fine. Maybe there will be less security issues with this one.

You can download it here, it's marked ESR:
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/...efox/releases/

I am still looking for a replacement tho, but I doubt I will find one.

Google is evil, that much is true.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 12:34 PM   #51
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I am still looking for a replacement tho, but I doubt I will find one.
It took me about a month to evaluate browsers to find the one that has the features I need (dwb), which is now my chosen browser. Maybe you open a thread about this topic stating what it is what you actually want from a browser and someone can help with recommendations.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 02:10 PM   #52
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I reported this on page two of this thread.
My apologies if you found my comments offensive(they were meant in jest). Many thanks to Mr. Volkerding for speedily uploading the latest FF security fix!
No problem!
I was referring to Mozilla and not Slackware. I should have been specific or clarified better.
 
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:04 PM   #53
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Firefox in and of itself isn't super great, and is becoming "bigger". But as a platform, in conjunction with other browsers (I use all the major browsers), is a great tool for me.

My firefox platform is noscript, adblockplus and greasemonkey as a foundation, plus another 10 to 15 extensions, and a dozen or so greasemonkey scripts, some that I've tweaked myself. I can't replicate the setup in any other browser. I've tried. But then again, there are several sites that I hit with IE/wine, and some that I hit with Opera, I do gmail/google-apps with chrome.

But the bulk of my surfing/research is from firefox. It's battlehardened. It's heavy. Oh well. It does what I need it to do. Websites themselves have become bloated, and noscript/adblock kills a huge amount of that. greasemonkey extends that even further.

So there you have it. Firefox isn't the spry, nimble rapier any more. It's a battleaxe. I prefer it over all the other browsers, but the other major browsers do play a role.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 05:07 PM   #54
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Seriously guys, I don't get it. Some of you don't like Firefox, for whatever reasons, be it the version number thing, the security holes or it being a resource hog. That is totally OK, but why bitching around about it? What is the point of that? Either change the browser or try to make it better.
No reason for making an effort there, because another open-source project called WebKit already exists and seems to do the job quite well.

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It is open source, if you think it needs to be improved than help with it.
I don't think, it needs to be improved. Also, just having an open source project doesn't grant Mozilla an entitlement for free contribution. They have to survive the market like everyone else. Some open source projects are attractive and some are not.

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FUD. Thunderbird is not dead, the focus has just shifted. It is considered to be (almost) feature complete, so Mozilla shifted its focus away from it in favor for other projects. That does not mean that it is abandoned, they have a community that is developing it further.
That's Mozilla marketing speak for: "The use of desktop MUAs declined and we can't make money out of Thunderbird." That's not a real problem, because MUAs are dime a dozen. But it's a sign, that you should not depend on it.
 
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My firefox platform is noscript, adblockplus and greasemonkey as a foundation, plus another 10 to 15 extensions, and a dozen or so greasemonkey scripts, some that I've tweaked myself. I can't replicate the setup in any other browser.
So Firefox is an operating system with a mediocre browser? ;-)
 
Old 10-12-2012, 08:01 PM   #56
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My firefox platform is noscript, adblockplus and greasemonkey as a foundation, plus another 10 to 15 extensions, and a dozen or so greasemonkey scripts, some that I've tweaked myself. I can't replicate the setup in any other browser.
Care to share this fortified setup? Might it work on Seamonkey, too? If you don't have space, I'll save it on my own server for others to use.

Me...I was a diehard Phoenix fan...way back before it became Firefox, then realized that I preferred Netscape/Mozilla, now Seamonkey, as the single app for Web/Mail.

I access my Gmail using Seamonkey. I gave up going to 'gmail.com,' because Google uses TOO MUCH Javascript to make it functional on an older PC. FYI: My main browsing system is a Slackware 13.37 setup on a 1GHz P3 ThinkPad A21p, 512M RAM. That's all. It works...and I want it to stay that way. I browse the net on a TEN year old PC system, and I'm happy, for now.

I still use Seamonkey, but I'm rather frustrated with all the code bloat...for what? Extra crap that I really don't think should be in a browser in the first place. And WHY does a brower need plugins? For stuff like PDF's, Flash, Java, etc. Is it really necessarry? I don't think so. If you really want it to 'enhance' your web experience...fine. It should ALL be optional.

Javascript is another monster of the web development. WHY use MY PC CPU cycles to do the hosts work?? When I did web development....the scripting was on the SERVER side...to ensure that it worked CORRECTLY.

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Old 10-13-2012, 01:26 AM   #57
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I am switching to Firefox ESR, maybe it will be better.
I'm very happy with FF ESR and TB ESR on Slackware 13.37 and 14.0.
 
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:20 AM   #58
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Care to share this fortified setup? Might it work on Seamonkey, too?
It's not really one big monolithic recipe. Just a collection of addons/scripts and a few other things that I use in varying combinations. You can't just install them all and go on down the road. They will break your browsing experience. At a minimum I use noscript, adblockplus, greasemonkey and straight-google. I add others depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. You have to spend time learning what each can do, and whether you'll have a use for it.

some of the firefox extensions I use:

noscript
adblockplus
greasemonkey
ipprotocols
ghostery
requestpolicy
flashgot
flagfox
wot
perspectives
https everywhere
askforsanitize
secure sanitizer
secret agent
user agent switcher
facebook disconnect
cookie monster


some of the greasemonkey scripts I use:
http://userscripts.org/

straight google
header control
craigslist preview
google domain blocker
keeptube
google images direct links
google hit hider by domain
google tracking-b-gone

Profile Manager, not an extension, but allows me to manage multiple installs and profiles:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...rofile_Manager

(Profile Manager is starting to throw errors when launching a more recent firefox, but still works.)

Anyway, I hope this gives you some ideas.
 
  


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