I don't even have Mozilla installed on either my laptop or my desktop. When I installed it, I turned that, and Netscape off. First thing I did was go to mozilla.org/firefox in Lynx, and download the installer. :)

Can't say I'm all that hurt about this.


BTW, you do know that the Firefox installer, at least, is only 10mb, versus something like 40mb for the Mozilla package and about the same for Netscape? That could have been a factor....



On a side note about Netscape, I've noticed that the 8.0 beta for Win has the option of rendering using Gecko or the Internet Exploder rendering engine. From a technical standpoint, I'd be interested in seeing if they manage to get that working on non-Win platforms, but from a linux-geek perspective, I think Microsoft should be spelled with a dollar sign and cursed for all eternity. In all seriousness, Microsoft's "standards" are a bad thing, and I *don't* like Netscape 8 using their rendering engine at all.

The official package seems to work better than the package on linuxpackages. I had to modify the plugin links for java as I have the JDK and too add flash player.
I miss the calendar

GNOME isn't really being well supported in Slack, Pat mentioned that he would not be providing GNOME in the near future. Most GNOME packages in Slack at the moment are from 2.6, so if you want the latest GNOME you have to use dropline or other GNOME builds for Slack.

There is another way to use MSN via gaim where you don't need mozilla. I didn't have installed mozilla on my Box 'cause I don't like it and tried this out.

GnuTLS depends on libgpg-error, libgcrypt and libtasn1, which you have to install first. For detailed instructions, look here
I did this, and it's working fine :-)

I don't know whether Pat will include GnuTLS and its dependencies into -current to provide gaim+msn working out-of-the-box, but since there are apparently only two ways, I'll drop an e-Mail :-)

As an explanation why MSN and Gaim is that complicated, this is also taken from the SSL-FAQ and will hopefully explain it:
I'll post this as a several thread, maybe I can help anybody who used mozilla and wants to stick with -current in all cases.

Greetings, Seppel

Edit: Whoops! I didn't see that cathectic already put a mini-howto doing the job without mozilla - sorry for that, bash me :-)
Anyways, this could still be helpful for anybody neither using mozilla nor firefox.

Or, rather, it would if they hadn't already been dropped between 10.0 and 10.1.

They don't. NS8 Beta is Windows only, and I suspect the relese will be the same.

Personally, I think it's a shame to see Seamonkey go, but I'm not that bothered. I switched to using Firefox more than a year and a half ago (back when it had just stopped being called Phoenix), and have never looked back, so it's nice to have it in a package.

I hear you, but the one good thing of MSIE is indeed the rendering engine.
The rendering of Gecko is excellent, but there are still some pages that only work with MSIE (mostly due to JScript instead of ECMAscript). Netscape 8 combines the configurability, the popup blocker and other nice features of Firefox with the option to use web pages made for MSIE only. Well, those pages *shouldn't* exist, but they do, especially in corporate intranets. Netscape allows a smooth migration.

But if you don't like it, don't use it.

gargamel

No it isn't. IE's rendering engine is awful. The fact that some lazy web-desgners wrote their pages based around the stuff that IE got wrong might make it an unwelcome necessity (although it's been some time since I came across a site that wouldn't work in either Gecko or Khtml), but it certainly isn't a good thing about it.