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Old 09-02-2007, 09:44 AM   #31
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So whose fault is that exactly.

Parted could easily support Reiser3 and Reiser4 (and NTFS) but choose NOT to.
woooooooooooooo, is not a fault at all: I'm saying that reiserfs is simply less known than ext3, so, in some situation can become harder to manage such a partition.
And now, I think it would be better to stop this useless discussion.
 
Old 09-02-2007, 11:09 AM   #32
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One simple thing that might give you a slight performance boost is adding the option 'noatime' to your fstab, apparently it makes quite a noticeable difference on slower drives, such as notebook drives.
IMHO, a better idea would be to set that option (not writing date/time everytime a file is read) for usually accessed files like (~/.* / /tmp / /var/www/htdocs etc.) ... Linus did that when he was developing GIT. Google 'noatime' the first few results show you how to do this..

Ingo Molnar (Kernel devel if you don't know) hates noatime too ... see below (quoted )


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"It's also perhaps the most stupid Unix design idea of all times. Unix is really nice and well done, but think about this a bit: 'For every file that is read from the disk, lets do a ... write to the disk! And, for every file that is already cached and which we read from the cache ... do a write to the disk!'"

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Old 09-03-2007, 08:24 AM   #33
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Linus hates noatime too ... see below (quoted )
That is a great quote from Linus.

And so true.
 
Old 09-03-2007, 08:37 AM   #34
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RE: filesystems:
Make a spare partition somewhere and experiment for a while with different FS and figure it out for Youself

RE: noatime
Then Linus should make it as default and provide a atime option in GNU mount, right? But someone was either lazy or ignornt to 'real-world' needs-guess who:
a. The mount-team
b. Linus
c. The Corporations paying enterprise Linux development

IMHO the atime is usefull only for enterprise high security/database/mission critical servers...

for the record:
I allways use noatime in my fstab
 
Old 09-04-2007, 03:54 AM   #35
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That quote up there is by Ingo Molnar, not Linus Torvalds:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/4/167
 
Old 09-04-2007, 06:49 AM   #36
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oops .. sorry my bad ... fixed ...
 
Old 09-05-2007, 08:50 AM   #37
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RE: noatime
Then Linus should make it as default and provide a atime option in GNU mount, right? But someone was either lazy or ignornt to 'real-world' needs-guess who:
a. The mount-team
b. Linus
c. The Corporations paying enterprise Linux development
Yeah,... I wonder why Linus doen't do that:

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Old 09-05-2007, 01:06 PM   #38
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I didn't notice any anti-Jew stuff, maybe you could be more explicit.

You don't mean these photos do you?
I don't know what HE meant, but I find the set-up
disturbing as well. The fact that someone feels
the urge to tell people about "actively concealed
Jewish leaders" is in itself a worry, that someone
has a whole section (subdirectory) of their web-site
dedicated to that is a worry. The fact that the
"kernel saboteurs" document lives in the Jews sub-
directory is a worry.


And the fact that 43 of your 73 posts point to that
site is a worry, too.




Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 09-05-2007, 05:50 PM   #39
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I don't know what HE meant, but I find the set-up
disturbing as well. The fact that someone feels
the urge to tell people about "actively concealed
Jewish leaders" is in itself a worry, that someone
has a whole section (subdirectory) of their web-site
dedicated to that is a worry. The fact that the
"kernel saboteurs" document lives in the Jews sub-
directory is a worry.


And the fact that 43 of your 73 posts point to that
site is a worry, too.




Cheers,
Tink
clap clap clap clap clap clap...someone told that!
Thank you pal
 
Old 09-06-2007, 01:03 AM   #40
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I agree with those that mark the site mentioned as "questionable" for mixing contents of a purely technical nature with well, let's politely call it mental floss. Please do not promote that site or any of it's mirrors. Posts edited, thread reopened, please keep this on topic.

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Old 09-06-2007, 09:25 PM   #41
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I use JFS, and I am very happy with it. This is my partition layout.
Code:
/ JFS
/home JFS
I have noticed that in kernel 2.6.21.5, there is experimental support for the upcoming ext4 file system. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
 
Old 09-08-2007, 02:48 AM   #42
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How does JFS handle 'dirty on mount' compared to reiser or ext3?
How fast does it mount large partitions?
How does it handle corruption (recovery)?
 
Old 09-08-2007, 10:01 AM   #43
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I don't know, I never had to recover anything, but it works just fine if there is a dirty mount, (usually when the power goes out, and the fs was not unmounted). As for mounting large partitions, JFS beats ReiserFS hands down. I had a 300GB external HD, and when I got it, I experimented with it, and ReiserFS was the second slowest to mount, the first was ext3. So I tried JFS, and it mounted in less than 2 seconds.
 
Old 09-10-2007, 07:01 PM   #44
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Just wanted to drop by and give my personal 2 cents.

Since i read this thread, i got a little curious about the other filesystems. I have only 2 partitions / and /home, just enough for me, and normally i would have choosen the reiser filesystem, but i wanted to try something new, so i "installed" XFS on my /home partition.

I have a laptop and due to some battery problems, i had a coupple of dirty unmounts in the past month (Battery dies on me and laptop goes bye bye). The root partition seems to be ok, but my home partition has expirenced some data loss. More espefically, i was surfing the web with opera -> Battery dies -> bye bye opera.ini configuration, that means that i have to set up my browser once again, luckily i didint loose any of my bookmarks. The same thing with Thunderbird, i had to create my profile again but unfortunatlly lost some emails .

I have to say, that my harddrive works "kind of better" with XFS, it doesnt make a sound, works great with big files (12GB).. and it really "feels" different.. and i mean it in a good sense. In the other hand im getting a little afraid of loosing more data next time my battery dies on me

I think im going to give JFS a try, if it doesnt work for me, im going to stick with reiserfs, it really is a good filesystem, a little CPU hungry, but i havent lost any data on it
 
Old 09-10-2007, 08:26 PM   #45
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I've read several times that XFS aggressively caches writes to disk. It delays them a lot. This means that in case of power outage or other problems, you may lose data that was supposed to have been written several _minutes_ ago. XFS is probably good for servers and has a lot of performance benefits, but some of its default behaviour (I don't know if this can be tuned) is simply unacceptable for a desktop or laptop computer, where performance is secondary to data integrity. In desktops and laptops, people expect that if there's a problem 10 seconds after they clicked on "Save", the file has been saved.
 
  


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