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Old 06-01-2006, 07:11 PM   #16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaman
my vote is " 'Just Say NO!' to games in Slackware."
How can you say that? Computers have no personality without games.

P.S. Ever noticed how many games are installed as a standard part of Slackware??

P.P.S. If you're an adventure gamer you should check out http://www.scummvm.org It rocks!! [/shamelessplug]
 
Old 06-01-2006, 07:32 PM   #17
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We have Scummvm available.
 
Old 06-02-2006, 01:14 AM   #18
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Linux is about doing what YOU want, so if you want games, let there be games!
 
Old 06-02-2006, 01:20 AM   #19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaman
my vote is " 'Just Say NO!' to games in Slackware."
I agree, I don't use Slackware for games but it can be nice having few games around.
 
Old 06-02-2006, 02:25 AM   #20
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Hell, yeah! Of course I want games! Why would I want a computer if it doesn't have games for?!

Computers are only fun if you are hacking around with something or playing a game (or even better, hacking a game ) I'd vote "YES".

Edit: Changed a confusing sentence.

Last edited by theoffset; 06-02-2006 at 02:43 AM.
 
Old 06-02-2006, 02:34 AM   #21
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As for me, it would be great to have your website in my bookmarks AxXium. So... YES

Greetings,
Mariusz

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Old 06-02-2006, 11:36 AM   #22
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OK ok...

I will test all of the games on Slackware and make sure that all work correctly.

The only thing that may cause troubles is the fact that we are confirguring the games to install to:

data = /usr/games/$softname
man = /usr/man
exec = /usr/games/bin

We changed to $PATH variables in /etc/profile at Zenwalk.org to allow that.

Before the default PATH for game execs was in /usr/games and /usr and some people were installing to /usr and some to /usr/games.

It was a mess, hehe

So we decided to have everything install to the same location for neatness's sake.

I don't remember what Slackware has setup in /etc/profile so I will check it out and act accordingly.

If I need to rebuild some packages and create a Slackware downloads section I will :-)

-AxXium
 
Old 06-02-2006, 11:41 AM   #23
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How 'bout an MMORPG specially made for Slackware

Anyway keep up the good work! =)

-A
 
Old 06-02-2006, 03:49 PM   #24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AxXium
OK ok...

I will test all of the games on Slackware and make sure that all work correctly.

The only thing that may cause troubles is the fact that we are confirguring the games to install to:

data = /usr/games/$softname
man = /usr/man
exec = /usr/games/bin

We changed to $PATH variables in /etc/profile at Zenwalk.org to allow that.

Before the default PATH for game execs was in /usr/games and /usr and some people were installing to /usr and some to /usr/games.
I guess that would be moving away too much from FHS.

Slackware has /usr/games in the default path, so you can put executables here and leave data under /usr/share/$softname/ and man pages under /usr/man:

Code:
data = /usr/share/$softname
man = /usr/man
exec = /usr/games
BTW why don't simply leave the games binaries install under /usr/bin ? Is there a need to have everything under /usr/games/{bin,$softname}?
 
Old 06-02-2006, 05:47 PM   #25
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BTW why don't simply leave the games binaries install under /usr/bin ? Is there a need to have everything under /usr/games/{bin,$softname}?
No, just for organization's sake.

It looks better and seems to make sense that all game *stuff* be in /usr/games.

It's much easier to find your game directories if they are all in one place.

Especially if you play games that have add-on extra maps and sounds or whatever.

Also, you can safely delete anything in /usr/games without breaking your system.

Accidents happen, I'd much rather screw up and delete the wrong thing in /usr/games then in /usr/bin. :-)

-AxXium
 
Old 06-02-2006, 05:59 PM   #26
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check this link out

loki installers for linux gamers

they have a lot of installers for linux, some native (including the very first one UnrealTournament) and some useful only with Cedega

Of course you need the game CD's
 
Old 06-02-2006, 06:10 PM   #27
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And why /usr/games instead of /opt/games or even better /opt/zengamer ??

Is just an opinion, and in the end is your project, your call, but I like the FHS standard as a way to have everything ordered. And you could do whatever you want with the structure under /opt/<...> and still be a compliant package.

Of course, if you want to be 100% FHS compliant you'll end up installing like
Code:
data = /opt/zengamer/$softname # it could actually be anyhing you want.
bin = /opt/zengamer/bin # or you can come up with your own structure
man = /usr/zengamer/share/man # and add it to the MANPATH, or use /usr/share/man directly.
That way, uninstalling all your games is as easy as
Code:
sudo rm -rf /opt/zengamer
and you can be 100% sure that you can remove anything under /opt/zengamer and don't have a single trouble with your system.

Under a Slackware system, accidentaly deleting /usr/games/fortune would stop the funny messages at login and show a "No such file or directory"-style error instead.

Just a suggestion, though. I didn't meant to sound too critical. That's how I would have done it, and thankfully this is linux, so I can grab the build script and the source code and just change the necesary things to get it working the way I like it
 
Old 06-02-2006, 07:27 PM   #28
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Smile

Quote:
Just a suggestion, though. I didn't meant to sound too critical.
Don't worry, I appreciate every opinion.

After all, I build the games for you and the other users.

But I had another good reason for installing where I did.

We use XFCE as the standard Desktop/Window Manager.

For Icons to show up at all, the exec has to be in the PATH set in /etc/profile.

This also affects the *.desktop files

If the exec is in PATH, I can call the exec by it's name and it can be launched via CLI by it's name.

If the exec is not in PATH, you would have to type the full path, after you find it of course.

It is much easier to type "bzflag" than "/opt/zengamer/bzflag-2.0.8/bzflag"

This is the default PATH in Zenwalk:

Quote:
PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games/bin"
This is the default PATH in Slackware:

Quote:
PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games/"
The last thing I want is for users to have to modify /etc/profile or *.desktop just so that there Icons show up.

The goal is for the games to be enjoyable and totally free of effort on the users part.

Just install and click on the Icon.

Like I said earlier.

I am getting ready to test every game on Slackware and make changes where necessary so that they work as expected on both Slackware and Zenwalk.

I also have setup the "source" directories here so that you can download both the sources, build scripts and custom icons if you prefer it that way.

http://www.zengamer.tuxfamily.org/sources/

The directories are empty at the moment but I will begin uploading to them this weekend as well as posting a link to them.

Again, I really appreciate your ideas and opinions.

Thanks,

-AxXium
 
Old 06-02-2006, 07:56 PM   #29
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My wife will be so pleased that slackware is going to have all these cool new games for me to play.

Hell, yes!!! (answer to the original question). And I'm sure nearly everyone feels the same way.

Cheers
 
  


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