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Old 05-17-2012, 09:27 AM   #91
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You get that for free when you choose to run a tiling window manager.
...but XFCE4 lacks this option as it is now?
 
Old 05-17-2012, 09:40 AM   #92
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Talking from scars "this" big

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I wonder why you think that is true?

Eric
Hi Eric,
Well, I tried to compile KDE3 few times and it took forever just to download the list to get a proper build (mplayer is an example of a "mess to build" IMHO)

Then KDE4 "just got better" with it's desktop enhancements and dependencies spread all around the system so I guessed that downloading the collection and building it is in proportion of the "enhancedness" compared to KDE3?

Did I miss something?

Is there a magical "$make KDE" for the 4 series?
Code:
./download --add-missing-dependencies --yeah-system-wide --nope-don't-ask-just-get-all

I would be glad, as KDE is beautiful, but I really "just work" on a PC and hate waiting for it to end trashing just to open a next tab in a browser or to start a drawing application
And i got used and -spoiled to have check-boxes clicked by a mouse to have it look and feel like "this", now I expect it as an usual thing?
so either make KDE as bare as on Slax ( see? ) and we addup therefrom, or get us a
Code:
looks nice & works fast
instead as XFCE4 (almost perfect) is?
 
Old 05-17-2012, 01:37 PM   #93
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Then KDE4 "just got better" with it's desktop enhancements and dependencies spread all around the system so I guessed that downloading the collection and building it is in proportion of the "enhancedness" compared to KDE3?

Did I miss something?

Is there a magical "$make KDE" for the 4 series?
You don't seem to realize that Slackware is a package based distro? You can just install Slackware and have KDE out of the box?
And yes, KDE is built with one single command... "kde.SlackBuild"

Eric
 
Old 05-18-2012, 01:32 AM   #94
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If it ain't broke,don't fix it. Slackware ain't broke but i suspect many end users are....................

Many Slackers like to tinker with our setups so if there is something that's not part of the default install, we make it happen.
 
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:38 AM   #95
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You don't seem to realize that Slackware is a package based distro? You can just install Slackware and have KDE out of the box?
And yes, KDE is built with one single command... "kde.SlackBuild"

Eric
Well,
what makes You think I don't realize that?

As a matter of fact, I don't have KDE on my (this) PC as I "had" to strip it out (most of it). But I have residue left and I'm just too lazy(TM) to "tooth-pick" it out, as it's not a significant share of the volume burden any more.

But the fact there are KDE exclusive files scattered to /l series and probably elsewhere really gives me a bit of a "tainted" feel, not big, but with KDE3 I was all "heart in place", and with KDE4 I'm more like "stone in shoe">


And is there a :
"gnome.SlackBuild"
these days?
 
Old 05-18-2012, 09:44 AM   #96
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for what I know, I think there's no gnome.Slackbuild.

but actually there's gnomeslackbuild.
 
Old 05-18-2012, 12:48 PM   #97
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the way KDE is heading right now IMHO
 
Old 05-19-2012, 12:48 AM   #98
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I don't think so: Eric has done an huge work to adapt the KDE.SlackBuild when upstream fragmented all the stuff in multiple source packages, and it works fine, you can check it yourself: 414N of slacky.eu, used it to smoothly build a version for 13.37.

gnome is a little bit trickier, and I *think* the buildgsb is not guaranteed to work always: if you like, you can try a build yourself and send the, eventual, patches to Steve Kennedy (the maintainer).

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Old 05-19-2012, 04:58 AM   #99
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Downloaded -current as of yesterday and installed.

First impressions are that KDE does seem a good bit more polished since the RTM of 13.37.

I for one am glad we have the option to have a full-featured integrated desktop or to have a bare-bones X session (on my workshop machine I generally only use fvwm and a handful of apps - firefox, thunar, xpdf, Virtual Box and Libre Office).

Pretty much all the other packages which might be good to see in the main distro are covered by the likes of SlackBuilds (and before that, linuxmafia).

I think Pat and the team have struck a reasonable balance between keeping Slack stable and introducing new stuff when it's sufficiently mature.
 
Old 05-21-2012, 06:11 AM   #100
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I don't think so: Eric has done an huge work to adapt the KDE.SlackBuild when upstream fragmented all the stuff in multiple source packages, and it works fine, you can check it yourself: 414N of slacky.eu, used it to smoothly build a version for 13.37.

gnome is a little bit trickier, and I *think* the buildgsb is not guaranteed to work always: if you like, you can try a build yourself and send the, eventual, patches to Steve Kennedy (the maintainer).
@Eric:
While I wholeheartedly admire Your hard work and devotion to the project (Slackware), i can't but regret for what the product (KDE) has become (not Your fault) lately (4.x).

@ponce
GNOME is important to GNU, but is in some sort of "middle age crisis" each project suffers in a while?

@others
I can't but wonder is there a desktop/WM maturing more worthy of Eric's marvelous effort than KDE if it does not "come to senses"?

Best regards,
Stevan C.
 
Old 05-21-2012, 08:41 AM   #101
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@Eric:
While I wholeheartedly admire Your hard work and devotion to the project (Slackware), i can't but regret for what the product (KDE) has become (not Your fault) lately (4.x).
Well that is your opinion (shared by others) but I have a diametrically opposed opinion about KDE. I support it wholeheartedly, use it every day, and am able to tune it to do what I want it to do. I did not like KDE 2 and 3 all that much, but used it because Gnome was removed from Slackware (I have been a Gnome 1.x fan but that stopped with Gnome 2.x). With KDE 4, my view changed.

Remember, you are not forced to use KDE, there's lots of alternatives in Slackware which give less "integration" but more appeal to those who like their desktop bare.

Eric
 
Old 05-21-2012, 10:09 AM   #102
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Remember, you are not forced to use KDE, there's lots of alternatives in Slackware which give less "integration" but more appeal to those who like their desktop bare.
S'truth. I'm a die-hard fvwm2 user, which gives me oodles of configurability and good core features (like all the virtual desktops I can eat), but doesn't prevent me from using the occasional KDE application (konq, ktorrent, usually).
 
Old 05-21-2012, 10:11 AM   #103
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Well that is your opinion (shared by others) but I have a diametrically opposed opinion about KDE. I support it wholeheartedly, use it every day, and am able to tune it to do what I want it to do. I did not like KDE 2 and 3 all that much, but used it because Gnome was removed from Slackware (I have been a Gnome 1.x fan but that stopped with Gnome 2.x). With KDE 4, my view changed.

Remember, you are not forced to use KDE, there's lots of alternatives in Slackware which give less "integration" but more appeal to those who like their desktop bare.

Eric
Maybe, just maybe, then "my tears fall on fertile ground" ?

Could You, pretty please, make KDE's default (=out of the box) settings "light weight" somehow? or is it the developers default already at that?
And
Could You please make a guide somewhere (or find a good one) what "tweak" is worth what penalty performance wise?

And please be patient with me, You are probably in current with KDE and I use 13.37 and the way i last time "switched" I could miss next one or few releases (just so damn stable that Slackware)

Best regards,
Stevan C.
P.S.
I admit, i did most probably tweak it out of control and it became sluggish. Once I was too squeezed with time to tweak it back to speed, I just moved on and now I'm just without
 
Old 05-21-2012, 10:44 AM   #104
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Are you using KDE 4.5.5, the release that came with 13.37? If so, Eric has 4.6.5 available:
http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.6.5/
 
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Are you using KDE 4.5.5, the release that came with 13.37? If so, Eric has 4.6.5 available:
http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.6.5/
Hey, thanks brianL
I kindly ask why would I choose one or the other? except it's advanced, is it more efficient?
 
  


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