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Old 05-05-2013, 07:25 AM   #136
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http://bit.ly/believe100
 
Old 05-05-2013, 07:37 AM   #137
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You started this thread on the 17th of last month

dugan's replies weren't "official" enough for you.

Then Eric responded to you on the same day: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post4933380

You ignored his post and continued as before. You've also ignored or rejected the good points made by many other well respected users.

We're now onto page 9 of this pointless thread, over two weeks later, which could easily be renamed as "why can't slack be more like gentoo or funtoo?".
How does everything differ now that I made a proof that having an optimized Slackware package is possible, none? Well yeah I'm expecting that. None.

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Pat has not responded.

I'll leave you to fill in the blanks...
Yeah I'm thinking that he doesn't want it and so, again.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 09:00 AM   #138
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We're now onto page 9 of this pointless thread, over two weeks later, which could easily be renamed as "why can't slack be more like gentoo or funtoo?".
At the University, we used to call this phenomenon "The Zorro Syndrome". Once in a while, an author (or a critic/researcher/politician/whatever) rides along on his white horse and wants everybody else to see the light.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 09:15 AM   #139
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I made a proof that having an optimized Slackware package is possible
Nobody in Slackland needed a proof for that. This possibility has always been included in SlackBuilds' design.

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Old 05-05-2013, 09:57 AM   #140
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No one in Sackland needed a proof for that. This possibility has always been included in SlackBuilds' design.
You sure you know what you're referring to? What kind of optimization do you exactly mean? And an example SlackBuild that does that perhaps? And you do mean the whole set of release which others disagreed upon to be possible and not just one package?

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #141
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In Slackware, SlackBuilds' design make very easy for the user to make optimizations.

If you want packages be optimized by the distribution, choose another distribution or fork Slackware.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 10:23 AM   #142
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Well I made the proof for the whole distribution not just for a single package.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 10:35 AM   #143
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Well I made the proof for the whole distribution not just for a single package.
So what?

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:38 AM   #144
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Now, what?
Now what? Why bother quote my post?

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No one in Sackland needed a proof for that. This possibility has always been included in SlackBuilds' design.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 10:42 AM   #145
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Creepy thread...
 
Old 05-05-2013, 10:48 AM   #146
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I first wanted to say that you didn't prove anything.

But knowing from your previous posts that you wouldn't have admit it, I just wanted to point out that, even if you actually proved it, Slackware will remain as it is.

So if you really want to add Gentoo or Funtoo's features to Slackware, you will have to fork Slackware.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #147
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I first wanted to say that you didn't prove anything.
Well some did disagreed about the concept that is why some was able to make their doubtful posts earlier in this thread. So at least with respect to it I did prove something.
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I just wanted to point out that, even if you actually proved it, Slackware will remain as it is.
Yep I actually quite accepted that already lately.
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So if you really want to add Gentoo or Funtoo's features to Slackware, you will have to fork Slackware.
I actually had that idea on my mind before, even before starting this thread. But nevermind. I'm not a crusader or something.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 11:04 AM   #148
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Anyway just to tell you guys I already gave up on this, seeing how it's likely to be denied no matter how...

Anyway if there would still be some replies from me then it would just be clarifications, if still essential.
 
Old 05-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #149
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So tell me if this would be a good description of your progress so far. You took the easy step of doing a global search and replace and noticed that this operation failed on many SlackBuilds. You then tried to build the packages. The build results were exactly what we told you to expect: that many packages failed to build. You then declared, based on these highly negative results, that you've "proven" that an "optimized Slackware" is "possible" "for the whole distribution and not just one package". You have also refused, despite repeated prompting, to do benchmarks to test the assumption underlying your project: that these "optimizations" will have any real-world, human-noticeable benefits at all.

Would you say that that is an accurate summary of what you've posted so far?

(Of course, if the claim has indeed changed to "possible" from "easy enough for Pat to maintain", then it's no longer wrong. There are/were Slackware forks that rebuilt every package).

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Old 05-05-2013, 12:18 PM   #150
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And yes from what I discovered I think I can't accept how Slackware just allows an old package to be included when it could have possible compatibility issues, and relying more on discovering bugs through long-term use rather than checking through compile-time if it's compatible with the new dependency packages. Yes the team monitors which could still be compatible with new updates, but I still see that is risky and so not Slackware-like as how I thought Slackware is. Yes I admit. I was mistaken about Slackware's approach to stability.
Slackware has included new versions of packages in -current that later got reverted to older ones because the brand-spanking-new packages were functionally worse than the old ones. On paper, these new packages were compiled with the newest dependencies and should have worked great, but they didn't. And again, problems with these new freshly compiled packages are discovered through long-term use -- because there isn't another way to find them. Just because something compiles doesn't mean it works or is stable. The only way to maintain stability is through being conservative with package versions and a lot of testing. Period.

I will make a note again about WindowMaker -- when that couldn't be compiled for multiple years, you would have just dropped the package because it makes you 'uncomfortable' despite it working and remaining stable. There was no way to get that to compile without a lot of serious patching effort.
 
  


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