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Old 10-12-2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Courier New?


Which package/software contains the courier new font? I've looked through the package browser but can't find this font listed there.

I just noticed that courier new isn't installed on my laptop with a fresh 21.1 install. My older laptop and desktop have it but I can't seem to find which package it is contained in.

The old laptop was an upgrade from 12.0 - 12.1 and my desktop has had almost every upgrade from 10.0 - 12.1.

Any ideas?

It's not a great deal since I have plain courier. Don't really know the difference between plain and new. But I have to submit documents to windows users so the new type would be useful.

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Old 10-12-2008, 11:44 AM   #2
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Courier new is a windows core font and is not shipped with slackware. You will need to get it from a windows machine or some other source. Google windows core fonts. You must have done something similar with the other install you have.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 11:45 AM   #3
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Nimbus Mono L
Free Mono
Liberation Fonts ...you must install this
(liberation mono is very close to courier new)

otherwise courier new is in M$core web fonts
 
Old 10-12-2008, 11:57 AM   #4
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Get them here:
http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/corefonts/

and the Vista fonts:
http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slac...msofficefonts/

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Old 10-12-2008, 01:15 PM   #5
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He seems to have taken down those packages. Not surprised though. Anyway, upshot is I copied a load of ttfs over from my windows partition on desktop so no problem anymore.

Strange thing is I don't recall doing that with my other laptop but I guess I must have.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 01:20 PM   #6
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(Warning: this post contains moderate ranting.)

From what I understand, when M$ originally started using these fonts (courier, arial, ...) they didn't do anything about protecting their "intellectual property". At some time, around about 2000 or so, they then decided
  • to be less helpful
  • shaft everyone who hadn't paid an M$ tax
  • protect their intellectual property
(choose whichever you feel most appropriate), they issued new sets of fonts which are technically protected and so are 'illegal' (subject to ruling in the appropriate jurisdictions, etc, etc) for use on non-M$ platforms for people who haven't paid an M$ tax to use them.

I would encourage you to use either the older M$ fonts or the RedHat Liberation fonts (which are deliberately designed to be 'interoperable' (have the same font metrics) as the M$ ones). I would also encourage you to ensure that any affected windows users are made aware of the fact that this is M$ playing silly b*ggers with licensing and that any inconvenience that they are suffering is occuring because M$ are being deliberately stupid with licenses. And that this is reducing the compatability of windows with the rest of the universe.

And M$ is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Which is its commercial perogative, of course, but if its business goes bad because of its continual screwing around with its licences to the detriment of its users and they eventually walk, it will have no one buit itself to blame.

I know you didn't ask, but I feel better now, thank you.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 01:47 PM   #7
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I would encourage you to use either the older M$ fonts or the RedHat Liberation fonts (which are deliberately designed to be 'interoperable' (have the same font metrics) as the M$ ones).
I think most people use the older MS fonts anyway, but using the Liberation fonts is eye-gougingly painful. They absolutely suck. Sorry, but it's true. Web pages look awful with the liberation fonts. It's brutal.
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And M$ is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Which is its commercial perogative, of course, but if its business goes bad because of its continual screwing around with its licences to the detriment of its users and they eventually walk, it will have no one buit itself to blame.
Sorry, but most people don't care at all about licenses. The common user (and even some uncommon ones) truly don't, and never will, care that Microsoft is being restrictive with licenses. Since most of the world uses Microsoft anyway, why do they care that the fonts can't be used elsewhere? Macs have nice fonts anyway, so even the Mac people are still happy. The thing that Linux nerds don't get is that, although THEY care about this stuff, no one else does. I use the older MS fonts. They're better, and they work. If they were not available, I would probably use the newer fonts anyway regardless of legal implication. Would you rather use something that is utter crap but is 'free/libre', or something that actually works? Right now, I have *very* little illegal material on my computer (and that includes videos/music). Back when I used Windows, the amount of illegal material was significantly higher. However, there are some things that just aren't going to change over night (or ever). Unless some people get serious about making fonts that actually look good, I will continue to use Microsoft's fonts.
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Old 10-12-2008, 03:34 PM   #8
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He seems to have taken down those packages.
No, they're not exactly packages. You have to install cabextract first, then run the SlackBuild scripts. I've only used the msofficefonts, and that one downloads the PowerPoint viewer from M$, extracts the fonts and builds a package.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 03:40 PM   #9
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He seems to have taken down those packages. Not surprised though.
I have not taken down these packages, because I have never made them available. What you will find is SlackBuild scripts that automatically download the font files and create nice Slackware packages out of them.

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I think most people use the older MS fonts anyway, but using the Liberation fonts is eye-gougingly painful. They absolutely suck. Sorry, but it's true. Web pages look awful with the liberation fonts. It's brutal.
I don't agree at all. The Liberation fonts look quite pleasing to the eye. Especially the version that is part of slackware-current (these fonts are in continuous development).

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Sorry, but most people don't care at all about licenses.
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Would you rather use something that is utter crap but is 'free/libre', or something that actually works?
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Unless some people get serious about making fonts that actually look good, I will continue to use Microsoft's fonts.
This is exactly why I am a strong supporter of true open source projects . Yes, a lot of people do not care about licenses, and yes, people will be using MS stuff because it just looks good, or just works. But that is not the path to glory. In the end it will be MS and other fighters against Linux and the open source movement who win because they have successfully poisoned the minds of people.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 04:23 PM   #10
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This is exactly why I am a strong supporter of true open source projects . Yes, a lot of people do not care about licenses, and yes, people will be using MS stuff because it just looks good, or just works. But that is not the path to glory. In the end it will be MS and other fighters against Linux and the open source movement who win because they have successfully poisoned the minds of people.
Agreed. Good fonts take work. If someone is willing to create quality free fonts, they need to be supported.

I'm at the point now where the fonts in Linux surpass the fonts in Windows for looks and readability. I never thought I would say that when I first started using Linux 6 years ago.

Steve
 
Old 10-12-2008, 04:46 PM   #11
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I don't agree at all. The Liberation fonts look quite pleasing to the eye. Especially the version that is part of slackware-current (these fonts are in continuous development).
I am not running -current, so maybe they are much better than that included with 12.1. However, I have taken the liberty of taking screenshots of the liberation fonts vs. the MS fonts in Firefox at linux.com. I think the difference is obvious.
Liberation fonts
MS fonts
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This is exactly why I am a strong supporter of true open source projects . Yes, a lot of people do not care about licenses, and yes, people will be using MS stuff because it just looks good, or just works. But that is not the path to glory. In the end it will be MS and other fighters against Linux and the open source movement who win because they have successfully poisoned the minds of people.
I support open source projects as well (though, obviously, a fraction as much as you, since I do not contribute code to any projects due to a lack of ability and knowledge), but if you talk to the average person on the street about open source licenses, their eyes will likely gloss over. People just don't care. Look at the popularity of iTunes, with its DRM-goodness. Look at the popularity of the iPhone, which is basically the anti-open-source device. It's just not a priority for most people.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 05:12 PM   #12
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T3slider I think that www.linux.com looks well with Liberation fonts but you have to force it:
Firefox with Liberation fonts
 
Old 10-12-2008, 06:03 PM   #13
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T3slider I think that www.linux.com looks well with Liberation fonts but you have to force it:
Firefox with Liberation fonts
If I do that, then I am setting each web page to the same font instead of seeing what the original site designer wanted me to see. This works, yes, but it's a bit hackish for my liking. If I can use the MS fonts while still seeing the font that is supposed to be seen instead of forcing it to one single font (or a few fonts), then why wouldn't I use them?
 
Old 10-12-2008, 06:34 PM   #14
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I for one have never relied on custom fonts for webpages. The page body should never be of concern to the webpage designer because plenty of people use a standard generic font that's force set in their browser. As for font size, you should always base things on the 'em' unit and make sure your webpage works with larger and smaller font sizes.

That in mind. what then are custom fonts for? to be aesthetically pleasing only when you have control over the content. E.G. printed work, documents within a controlled environment, anything with embedded fonts, pdfs (or other vector documents) where all the fonts get turned into shapes rather than fonts.

The headache of making sure everybody can see it the way you intended is never solved when it comes to fonts.

Solution? Stick to the basics of serif, non-serif, monospace, with bold/italic for everything you don't have control over.

Or you can take the windows approach and assume everybody is running as administrator then forcefully install your font onto their computer using Active X.

Enjoy my rant that comes with no professional experience and is me just talking about stuff.
 
  


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