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Old 01-17-2010, 10:33 AM   #16
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Thanks, Gilbert, we've all calmed down now. My pulse has gone down from 192 to its normal 66...
 
Old 01-17-2010, 01:32 PM   #17
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But tell me, what you think a GUI should present to the user? I am open to any ideas.
That is a good question. I don't have an immediate answer. I think src2pkg is fast becoming a popular tool. Popular tools should accommodate all users, not just the propeller heads.

Frankly, I'm tired of the "no GUI" responses throughout the Slackware community. I think all such proponents should be required not to use X at all. Use links, use pine, use your god-ammed vi or emacs, stock up on Twinkies, buy some more tin foil, and ask mom if you can have your bedroom and shop back in the basement of her house. I'm tired of the "no GUI" elitism that appears every time the topic arises.

The world has changed. Just about all people in the developed regions of the world nowadays use computers. The majority of them have no more interest in mastering vi, emacs, or the command line than they do in changing the engine oil in their cars. All of these people could care less about the underlying operating system. The operating system is merely a foundation for their apps.

I use the command line all day long. I use GUI apps all day long. I use text editors and I use word processors. I use a simple calculator and I use spreadsheets. I use a telephone and I use email. I use Konqueror and I use midnight commander. I use scratch paper and I keep notes on my computer. I use whichever tool I'm in the mood for and whichever is productive for me at that moment.

What exactly drives that element of the Slackware community that everything about computers is supposed to be so god-ammed hard? Is this some kind of hidden Eleventh Commandment? If that element of the community controlled television and radio, people would have to write f-cking shells scripts just to change the channel and recompile kernels to rotate the antenna. People would be hung simply for mentioning the idea of a remote control. If some Slackers controlled the world they would demand everybody use square tires.

I suspect every person participating in this forum uses X and a GUI web browser to participate. What is the difference between a GUI web browser and a GUI admin tool? Not a f-cking thing. Yet somehow, every time somebody raises the topic of adding GUI admin tools, the "non GUI" gear heads start frothing at the mouth and accusing everybody of blasphemy. Please step aside. The rest of the world is moving on.

The GUI discussions in this forum never has been an either-or discussion. The discussion always has been about augmenting and extending good underlying command line tools. To extend usability for all users. To make free/libre software accessible and usable for all users and not just a privileged few and computer elite.
 
Old 01-17-2010, 01:40 PM   #18
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Personally, I think a CLI with a multitude of options is preferable to a complicated GUI with a dozen menu bar items and a dozen items in each menu. I'm about as far from being elitist as you can get, too.
 
Old 01-17-2010, 02:58 PM   #19
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Frankly, I'm tired of the "no GUI" responses throughout the Slackware community. I think all such proponents should be required not to use X at all. Use links, use pine, use your god-ammed vi or emacs, stock up on Twinkies, buy some more tin foil, and ask mom if you can have your bedroom and shop back in the basement of her house. I'm tired of the "no GUI" elitism that appears every time the topic arises.
Please calm down, Woodsman.
The reason that I prefer a non GUI approach in Slackware is that when you introduce GUIS that comes with a price, that is, more system overhead. I'm not an elitist, I am pragmatic. Slackware functions just fine without GUIs so if it ain't broke why fix it?
 
  


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