confused about man pages on -current

Rinndalir · 10-21-2015, 07:33 PM

I have this installed man-pages-3.82 but some pages seem wrong.
If I look at man 3 fprintf at the bottom of the page is this:

"Joerg Schilling 15. Juli 1988 FPRINTF(3)"

This doesn't look right to me and there is no format page at all.

man 3 format
No entry for format in section 3 of the manual

Is my install broken? Are the man pages broken or is this normal?

Ztcoracat · 10-21-2015, 11:04 PM

I don't think your install is broken because I'm getting the same thing you did.

Code:

bash-4.2$ man 3 format
No entry for format in section 3 of the manual
bash-4.2$ man -version
man, version 1.6g

bash-4.2$

Run man --version and see what you get.

MDKDIO · 10-22-2015, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

"Joerg Schilling 15. Juli 1988 FPRINTF(3)"

Guessing nothing changed since 1988,
as for the "Format and PRINT to File".

Version wise, you have the same versions I have.

And I also have the same version as Ztcoracat
man --version
1.6g

drmozes · 10-22-2015, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

I have this installed man-pages-3.82 but some pages seem wrong.
If I look at man 3 fprintf at the bottom of the page is this:

"Joerg Schilling 15. Juli 1988 FPRINTF(3)"

This doesn't look right to me and there is no format page at all.

It's not right:

Code:

cd ~/slackware64-current/slackware64/ap
# mkdir Q
# cd Q
# tar xf ../man-pages-3.82-noarch-1.txz
# man usr/man/man3/printf.3.gz | tail -n1
GNU                               2014-07-08                         PRINTF(3)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

man 3 format
No entry for format in section 3 of the manual

There is no 'format' man page in the man-pages source archive.

ppr:kut · 10-22-2015, 06:08 AM

Quote:

ap/cdrtools-3.01-i586-2.txz: Rebuilt.
Removed useless man pages in /usr/man/man3. Thanks to Adrien Nader.

That update removed the man page you're seeing from the cdrtools package, but upgradepkg won't remove it from the system since it is also provided by man-pages. To fix it you have to reinstall the man-pages package

Rinndalir · 10-22-2015, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppr:kut

That update removed the man page you're seeing from the cdrtools package, but upgradepkg won't remove it from the system since it is also provided by man-pages. To fix it you have to reinstall the man-pages package

It sounds like cdrtools wrote over the programming man pages. I will reinstall man-pages.

Didier Spaier · 10-22-2015, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

It sounds like cdrtools wrote over the programming man pages.

That looks weird: as ppr:kut pointed out, upgradepkg first installs the new files, then removes the files remnant of the previous version, but only if not found in another installed package. How did you make the upgrade? Are you sure that your packages' database /var/log{packages,removed_packages} has not been messed?

Rinndalir · 10-22-2015, 01:56 PM

Just to make things clear.

The man command on slackware-current is man-1.6g but no idea where the most current version lives. man-1.6g seems to be from Jan. 2011.

Under debian there is a man-db package but the numbering is different and man-db starts at version 2.4 in 2005.
man-db contains man,whatis,apropos

The current man-pages version is at 4.02 and slackware-current is at 3.82.

Rinndalir · 10-22-2015, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Spaier

Are you sure that your packages' database /var/log{packages,removed_packages} has not been messed?

Please define messed.

Didier Spaier · 10-22-2015, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

Please define messed.

There are several ways, most often that happens when not using the Slackware package tools to install or remove packages or applications. Then the database doesn't show the files actually present in the system any more.

But maybe that is not the case and instead you just missed the upgrade of the man-pages package that occurred on Tue Apr 21 23:44:00 UTC 2015.

To check please send the output of:

Code:

ls -l /var/log/packages/man-page*

[1]In such a case actually the packages' database itself is not "messed" but ceases to reliably reflect the state of the system. I am sorry for the improper wording, English is not my native language.

Rinndalir · 10-22-2015, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Spaier

There are several ways, most often that happens when not using the Slackware package tools to install or remove packages or applications. Then the database doesn't show the files actually present in the system any more.

But maybe that is not the case and instead you just missed the upgrade of the man-pages package that occurred on Tue Apr 21 23:44:00 UTC 2015.

Neither of these happened.

What did happen it seems is that cdrtools wrote over the man pages then upgrade didn't remove them since they are owned by another pkg. You disagree with that prognosis?

Quote:

[1]In such a case actually the packages' database itself is not "messed" but ceases to reliably reflect the state of the system. I am sorry for the improper wording, English is not my native language.

No improper wording found. Just was too broad for my knowledge. The additional context makes it clear.

Didier Spaier · 10-22-2015, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinndalir

What did happen it seems is that cdrtools wrote over the man pages then upgrade didn't remove them since they are owned by another pkg. You disagree with that prognosis?

I am doubtful, but I will try to reproduce that tomorrow, unless someone else answers before I do (I am running Slackware 14.1 not current at the moment).

Meanwhile, please provide the already requested output and also that of:

Code:

ls -l /usr/man/man3*/fprintf*

stoa · 10-22-2015, 06:20 PM

I'm having the exact same issue as OP. I always use only slackpkg for updating/upgrading. Sorry I don't have time right now to diagnose, but in response to Didier's request, here are the outputs of:

Code:

ls -l /var/log/packages/man-page*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66496 Aug 17 18:11 /var/log/packages/man-pages-3.82-noarch-1

and:

Code:

ls -l /usr/man/man3*/fprintf*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 503 Sep 17 14:08 /usr/man/man3/fprintf.3.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 503 Sep 17 14:08 /usr/man/man3p/fprintf.3.gz

Didier Spaier · 10-22-2015, 08:35 PM

Anyhow crdtools does not include this man page so it didn't overwrite it.

Most probably it comes from another package.

If it was regularly installed, this command will tell which one:

Code:

grep  man3/fprintf /var/log/packages/*

stoa · 10-22-2015, 08:46 PM

Didier:

Here's the culprit:

Code:

grep  man3/fprintf /var/log/packages/*
/var/log/packages/man-pages-3.82-noarch-1:usr/man/man3/fprintf.3.gz