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Old 10-08-2008, 04:21 AM   #16
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I think there is some misconceptions about how "bleeding-edge" slackware is.

Yes, Slackware won't always use the latest programs when the distro is released, but usually they do. For example when Slack 12.1 was released it was using the kernel 2.6.24.5 (the latest within a couple of weeks of the release) with KDE 3.5.9 (the latest at the time of release). It includes HAL and will automount USB drives and cameras to the /media folder. X11 7.3.0+, Apache 2.2.8, PHP 5.2.5, MySQL 5, and the list goes on.

There are only a few instances where Pat won't release the latest version, and it is usually because it hasn't been proven stable (ie. bugs are known).

Have a look at the Oct 5th entry in the changelogs

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Sun Oct 5 01:41:22 CDT 2008
a/device-mapper-1.02.28-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to device-mapper-1.02.28.
a/e2fsprogs-1.41.2-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to e2fsprogs-1.41.2.
a/grep-2.5.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to grep-2.5.3.
a/lilo-22.8-i486-13.tgz: Recompiled against new device-mapper and lvm2.
a/lvm2-2.02.40-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to lvm2-2.02.40.
a/pcmciautils-015-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to pcmciautils-015.
a/udev-128-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to udev-128.
a/xfsprogs-2.10.1_1-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to xfsprogs-2.10.1-1.
ap/mysql-5.0.67-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to mysql-5.0.67.
ap/rpm-4.4.2.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to rpm-4.4.2.3.
ap/sqlite-3.6.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to sqlite-3.6.3.
ap/texinfo-4.13a-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to texinfo-4.13a.
d/autoconf-2.63-noarch-1.tgz: Upgraded to autoconf-2.63.
d/automake-1.10.1-noarch-1.tgz: Upgraded to automake-1.10.1.
d/doxygen-1.5.7-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to doxygen-1.5.7.
d/libtool-1.5.26-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to libtool-1.5.26.
l/beecrypt-4.1.2-i486-1.tgz: Added beecrypt-4.1.2.
l/dbus-1.2.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to dbus-1.2.3.
l/dbus-glib-0.76-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to dbus-glib-0.76.
l/dbus-python-0.83.0-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to dbus-python-0.83.0.
l/hal-0.5.11-i486-2.tgz: Rebuilt.
l/hal-info-20081001-noarch-1.tgz: Upgraded to hal-info-20081001.
l/parted-1.8.8-i486-2.tgz: Recompiled with LVM2 support.
n/lftp-3.7.4-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to lftp-3.7.4.
n/links-2.2-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to links-2.2.
n/ncftp-3.2.2-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to ncftp-3.2.2.
n/nmap-4.76-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to nmap-4.76.
n/wget-1.11.4-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to wget-1.11.4.
xap/fluxbox-1.1.1-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to fluxbox-1.1.1.
Thanks to Piter Punk for updating device-mapper, lvm2, pcmciautils, udev,
and parted. Thanks to Robby Workman for pretty much everything else. :-)
One thing that probably caused this mis-conception was Pat's reluctance to include the 2.6 kernel as the default for a while, but since at least 10.2 (when I completely dived into Slack) it was available as a testing kernel that was included on the install disks.

As far as KDE 4, from reading through the changelogs it sounds like Pat is thinking about having KDE 4 in the next release. He has it currently in the testing portion of -current and is extremely pleased with it.

Just wanted to clear this up.
 
Old 10-08-2008, 05:21 AM   #17
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Indeed Slackware is not bleeding edge, it put much greater value on stability and security than bleeding edge. However this also does not mean that Slackware uses ancient software, this is not the case either. It uses the newest stable software available. It's actually hard work to keep everything stable and keep things from breaking, many thanks to Pat V. for doing an extremely good job of this for virtually all Slackware versions.
 
Old 10-09-2008, 04:08 AM   #18
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hey guys do you know when the next version comes out?
cause if it is all that stable/interesting, and has KDE4, well id love to try and 'dive into it', like mentioned above.

also, since atm its in the testing section, that would mean if i wanted to use it now, i would have to compile right?
so, when you download source builds to compile, do you download them in a pretty location specific place, or is it just random download anywhere(is it at least advised that you DL in a specifi place for organizations sake?).

anyways, im really liking the answers so far.
i was kind of uncertain as to where to go, and was kinda going for sabayon since i woudnt have to fully get out of gentoo, but this is looking much more promising.
the one thing that stood in my mind was, -slack being a very old distro... isn't that a negative thing? or a positive?



thanks for all the many answers that have made this thread VERY informative and interesting.
and for not ceasing to reply also.


cheers

edit: also, what file system would you guys recommend? i've always used ext3, for being conservative i guess... any suggestions are welcomed. ^^

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Old 10-09-2008, 04:19 AM   #19
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Pat mentioned that KDE4 will not be part of the next release when he visited the ##slackware IRC channel on Freenode. KDE4.1.1 is available in the /testing dir of slackware-current of course and I am runnning that on my laptop for quite a while now - almost no bugs there. But not ready yet for "Slackware prime-time".

Eric
 
Old 10-09-2008, 07:49 AM   #20
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Pat mentioned that KDE4 will not be part of the next release when he visited the ##slackware IRC channel on Freenode. KDE4.1.1 is available in the /testing dir of slackware-current of course and I am runnning that on my laptop for quite a while now - almost no bugs there. But not ready yet for "Slackware prime-time".

Eric
Eric,

This news is welcome. I've been playing with a live CD with KDE 4.1 on it and I generally like the interface. At the same time, it seems to still need some more work.

I trust that Pat will make the switch when it's ready. My fervent hope is that KDE 4 is not slower than KDE 3.5!

Regards,

-Drew
 
Old 10-09-2008, 07:51 AM   #21
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edit: also, what file system would you guys recommend? i've always used ext3, for being conservative i guess... any suggestions are welcomed. ^^
Try JFS. I use it on both my computers.

Regards,

-Drew
 
Old 10-09-2008, 11:59 AM   #22
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hey guys do you know when the next version comes out?
cause if it is all that stable/interesting, and has KDE4, well id love to try and 'dive into it', like mentioned above.
Slackware versions are "released when they are ready" - that's the official line and since it's been said that KDE4 won't be included perhaps that's irrelevant.
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also, since atm its in the testing section, that would mean if i wanted to use it now, i would have to compile right?
so, when you download source builds to compile, do you download them in a pretty location specific place, or is it just random download anywhere(is it at least advised that you DL in a specifi place for organizations sake?).
Packages in testing are just that - precompiled packages for testing. It's up to you to decide on a structure for downloads and compiles.

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the one thing that stood in my mind was, -slack being a very old distro... isn't that a negative thing? or a positive?
I'd tend to say 'established' rather than old - established being a good thing.
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edit: also, what file system would you guys recommend? i've always used ext3, for being conservative i guess
I use a combination of FS's but ext3 seems to give me the least problems if I decide to resize a partition.

Don't take this the wrong way but you seem to be asking a lot of questions about Slackware - why don't you just try it and see ? You could always test in a VM for a while if you don't want to commit.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 01:36 PM   #23
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hey guys, another one of my boring questions...
the slack page seems to say i need to 'make a boot cd'?! so i cant just download the fileCD and boot...
and it only seems to show how to do this for disquettes... what about laptops?

or is this OLD instructions?

anyhow, any light on this, or a link to a place where i can download a slackwareCD that already has boot capabilities, or the likes... >.< would be helpful. ^^

edit: there is also one fundamental question that have forgotten to ask... slack does have a x64 version right?

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Old 10-10-2008, 03:12 PM   #24
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The first of the CD's is bootable.

You may find a list of mirrors and torrents here

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edit: there is also one fundamental question that have forgotten to ask... slack does have a x64 version right?
Slackware itself doesn't have a 64 bit version - although there is Slamd64 - an unoffical 64 bit port of Slackware.

There is also an unoffical 64 bit version called Bluewhite64

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Old 10-10-2008, 03:13 PM   #25
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the slack page seems to say i need to 'make a boot cd'?!
The dvd image (*.iso) that is available for download is bootable. Download it, burn it, boot from it.
 
Old 10-11-2008, 12:48 AM   #26
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Testimony of a former Gentoo user

I was a happy Gentoo user for 3 years on my Pentium 4 box. Then one day, during a stable upgrade, it borked. Don't know why it happened, but Portage was broke, with who knows what else, and I was stuck. I had downloaded Slackware 10.1 a few weeks earlier, and used it to set up a Pentium II box as a file server. I was in a pinch to get my P4 box back up, so I installed Slack 10.1 on my box and got rolling in 15 minutes.

Slackware seemed awful bland at first. But once I started perusing through /etc, I became an instant fan. It's so clean!!! One of my largest gripes about Gentoo was when a new baselayout package was pushed... I'd have 3 or 4 config files in various subdirectories of /etc which controlled eth0, as an example. It became unruly. Slackware is cake here. Love it, love it, love it.

Gentoo was nice in the fact that Portage would pull in and compile dependencies for a package you specifically wanted. The bad thing is Portage may pull in packages you didn't necessarily want. I know a lot of it came down to USE flags, but as time went on more EBUILDS were being written poorly or tested less... introducing more hard-coded USE flags.

Slackbuilds are Slackware's equivalent to Gentoo's EBUILD's, but much easier to discern and tweak.

As for repositories, slacky.eu has a lot of packages. When click to download a package there, you are transported to an FTP directory, where you will find a precompiled package and a build directory with the package's source code, Slackbuild and any patches if used. It's nice that you can grab all that, tweak the Slackbuild as you see fit, then compile the package yourself.

If you haven't read, Slackware does not include GNOME. If you want a GTK2-based DE, XFCE is provided. You can also check out GnomeSlackbuild.org for a complete GNOME desktop solution for Slackware. Dropline is preparing GNOME 2.24.0 for Slackware 12.1 right now, should you want GNOME with PAM. Slackware does not incorporate PAM, although just about every other Linux distribution does.

I have had thoughts of giving Gentoo another try once I build a new box. I can only imagine how nice a Core 2 Quad or Core i7 would be for compiling... but for everyday use, I've fallen for Slackware. It just works. I think I'll save Gentoo for a VM, to tinker with.
 
Old 10-11-2008, 10:47 AM   #27
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in my view, atm, gentoo isnt really all that cool anymore. too many internal struggles and the community falling out of it means:
more !@#$!$! people, less up-to-date(and im being modest here) packages, and like you the, the usual annoyance of, perhaps, poorly scripted use flags >.<.

also in the end of the day i think compiling EVERything from source, isnt really all that necessary or useful, more like... time consuming.

so thats my 2 cents, but i tell you, while the rest of the linux world was using, xorg 1.5, kde 4.1, etc... gentoo's bleeding edge was xorg 1.4(the normal was 1.3), and kde 3.5.9, wow!
considering that this is a distro that if you unmask things you are supposed to have access to all of the top-notch, bleeding edge, latest stuff... yeah gentoo is broken to me, atm.

i hope the foundation stops this bickering and starts working, gentoo cant stand this 'bleeding edge' anymore.(if you get me )

i say your prob not missing much, honestly. id try another distro for a VM.

cheers


-> oh , also... do u use any package manager to deal with installing things, if so which one, and how does that go?

edit: just for the record, i have a fast core 2 duo, but its still more time consuming then the usual 3 seconds install of a binary, or whatnot.

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Old 10-11-2008, 10:53 AM   #28
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The first of the CD's is bootable.

You may find a list of mirrors and torrents here



Slackware itself doesn't have a 64 bit version - although there is Slamd64 - an unoffical 64 bit port of Slackware.

There is also an unoffical 64 bit version called Bluewhite64
why is there no 64 ver. , is there anything particular against it?
after some quick checking i think i might stick with Bluewhite, since i DO want a 64bit system.
any reason to choose slamd64 instead, that i should know of?

^^
cheers

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Old 10-11-2008, 11:42 AM   #29
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slamd64 is multilib so you can run 32-bit apps on it too. Useful as not everything is ported to 64-bit. I think you'll definitely need it to run wine and most games.
 
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any reason to choose slamd64 instead, that i should know of?
Well that sometimes can be quite a controversial issue - I will not comment on this but leave you to find information and form your own opinions. Suffice to say some users seem to get quite irate about the subject. This however seems to be purely based on the origins and not usability of the products.

Personally I have used neither and so can't comment on their merits.
 
  


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