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Old 06-24-2013, 06:07 AM   #256
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just run git pull and it should be fine
 
Old 06-24-2013, 08:29 AM   #257
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Okay. Now after some testing I came to the conclusion Mate isn't for me. Program equivalents of the QT apps are just not as good to me. So I removed the Mate packages. But now I have problems with mimetypes in KDE, how can I fix this? In Firefox I now miss the icons of the forward/back buttons etc. How do I get this back? Already tried a reinstall of Firefox and others but it doesn't fix the problem...
Programs like gftp don't even run anymore. Although it doesn't replace stock packages it does seem to mess with them.

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Old 06-24-2013, 08:40 AM   #258
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@JackHair - something else is going on with your system. MATE does not mess with Firefox or gftp or any other stock packages. If you changed your mimetypes, you can always change them back -- look in $HOME/.local/share/applications. I'm sure there is a KDE app where you can set your own mimetypes.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 08:43 AM   #259
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@JackHair - something else is going on with your system. MATE does not mess with Firefox or gftp or any other stock packages. If you changed your mimetypes, you can always change them back -- look in $HOME/.local/share/applications. I'm sure there is a KDE app where you can set your own mimetypes.
It clearly does something. I made a new user to test Mate, never touched my regular user with it installed. I didn't even log into KDE with Mate installed. Before I tried Mate everything was fine...
 
Old 06-24-2013, 08:49 AM   #260
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I've got it running on multiple systems and have never seen the issues you are describing. We've had other users test and we have not received any similar reports. But if you are able to show us how to reproduce the issue on a clean, full install of Slackware 14.0, we'd be happy to look into it. Thank you for testing and for your feedback.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:34 AM   #261
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I've got it running on multiple systems and have never seen the issues you are describing. We've had other users test and we have not received any similar reports. But if you are able to show us how to reproduce the issue on a clean, full install of Slackware 14.0, we'd be happy to look into it. Thank you for testing and for your feedback.
If no one else had this problem doesn't necessarily mean it can't be the cause. Looking at the package I had problems with yesterday, which didn't have a problem either till it got tested, shows it's very possible it was caused by this. But whatever I'll take my loss and move on. I'm not getting any further here anyway.

Just to clarify, I think you're too dismissive right of the bat. You don't try to look for a solution, you only say "it's not caused by mate". I don't think it's very realistic to only look at it when the system is clean. Who will use a clean system and don't install software? No one! If you want to have software tested you have to realize things can go wrong. If they do try to solve it instead of dismissing it.

So, now I have done an upgrade --reinstall on all STOCK packages and everything is fine again. Meaning no package I installed from SBo/Alien/R.Workman was the problem.

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Old 06-24-2013, 02:26 PM   #262
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Just to clarify, I think you're too dismissive right of the bat. You don't try to look for a solution, you only say "it's not caused by mate". I don't think it's very realistic to only look at it when the system is clean. Who will use a clean system and don't install software? No one! If you want to have software tested you have to realize things can go wrong. If they do try to solve it instead of dismissing it.
I am not dismissing it at all. I'm simply saying that nobody else has reported your issues. And it's not even clear exactly what those issues are.

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Program equivalents of the QT apps are just not as good to me.
This is a subjective statement, so I am not sure how to address this.

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But now I have problems with mimetypes in KDE, how can I fix this?
What problems? Did you look at the mimetype associations in $HOME/.local/share/applications folder? Did you use whatever tool comes with KDE to re-associate things with KDE apps? What happens in KDE -- do you a click something to open a folder and Caja opens instead of Dolphin? Do you click an mp3 file and Audacious starts instead of Amarok? You do not provide enough detail about what your mimetype problems are.

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In Firefox I now miss the icons of the forward/back buttons etc. How do I get this back?
Firefox on my systems are the same ordinary Firefox, buttons and all. I even just now, on another system, removed all my mate packages, logged out, logged back, and started up KDE. Mimetype associations were fine, Firefox looked normal, and nothing seemed out of the ordinary.

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Programs like gftp don't even run anymore.
Gftp runs fine here.

I can't reproduce any of the things you mention so I can't start looking for solutions. And when I said a clean system, I mean only a full stock install of 14.0 which is our reference system. Willy runs it on -current as do others, but since -current is a moving target, we can't always guarantee it will work. Regardless, my daily laptop has MATE and dozens of applications from SBo, Eric, and Robby's sites as well as some of my own packages. Other than some issues with mate-screensaver, which are being addressed in upstream development, I have encountered no problems. But I'm not trying to convince you to use MATE. Use whatever suits you best.

However, you seem to make making assumptions about my unwillingness to help you when that couldn't be further from the truth. And, frankly, it's a little insulting given how much I have enjoyed helping Slackware users -- and Linux users in general -- over the years. Willy and I have both worked with many folks on solving issues with MATE, both in this thread and privately via email.

So, if you or anyone else are able to find a way to reproduce specific issues, by all means, let us know and we'll jump right in to help out and find a solution.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 05:17 PM   #263
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I have been installing, removing and reinstalling again MATE multiple times, never encountered issues with firefox, gftp, or KDE, in fact KDE is just as I leave it weeks ago.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 06:58 PM   #264
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If no one else had this problem doesn't necessarily mean it can't be the cause. Looking at the package I had problems with yesterday, which didn't have a problem either till it got tested, shows it's very possible it was caused by this. But whatever I'll take my loss and move on. I'm not getting any further here anyway.

Just to clarify, I think you're too dismissive right of the bat. You don't try to look for a solution, you only say "it's not caused by mate". I don't think it's very realistic to only look at it when the system is clean. Who will use a clean system and don't install software? No one! If you want to have software tested you have to realize things can go wrong. If they do try to solve it instead of dismissing it.
There's a chance that your configuration is so spesific that it might not be reproduceable by us or by other people who used MATE. That's why we suggest to have "clean system" for better debugging environments. We all have different preferences for our desktop experience.

me and Chess have a clean build machine running Slackware 14.0 which we only used for building MATE, so we don't install other packages from third party repository on that machine to make sure it's not pollutted by other apps. All of the binary packages are tested on that build machine and we didn't have the problem you mentioned.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:04 PM   #265
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I have been installing, removing and reinstalling again MATE multiple times, never encountered issues with firefox, gftp, or KDE, in fact KDE is just as I leave it weeks ago.
Glad to hear it's working well, cisneros. Let us know if you run into any issues. Cheers!
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:36 PM   #266
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Glad to hear it's working well, cisneros. Let us know if you run into any issues. Cheers!
well the only issue i have is when i open the "open with -> other application" dialog, it has duplicates of almost all my apps, i tried to remove the duplicates before with the menu-editor (Mozo), but im afraid to do it now because the last time i think that was the reason why my MATE session was broken.
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:51 PM   #267
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@cisneros - can you check something for me? For those applications that are listed as duplicates, can you check to see if there is more than one .desktop file for that app in /usr/share/applications? For example, I also see this behavior for some apps. One of them is Shotwell, which I installed from SBo, and when I search in that directory I get:

Code:
chess@slack 10:48 PM ~ $ ls -la /usr/share/applications/ | grep shotwell
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   4889 Apr  5 00:42 shotwell-viewer.desktop
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   5878 Apr  5 00:42 shotwell.desktop
Here is another:

Code:
chess@slack 10:48 PM ~ $ ls -la /usr/share/applications/ | grep rhythmbox
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  13750 Jun  6 22:57 rhythmbox-device.desktop
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  13806 Jun  6 22:57 rhythmbox.desktop
These apps install more than one .desktop file so Caja picks them all up. Do you see the same kind of thing?

Edit: Also, if you can, check to see if you see the same thing in other file managers. For example, I just fired up Thunar, selected a text file, went to Open With > Open With Other Application and there was an even longer list with even more duplicate entries than what I saw in Caja. Do you see the same?

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Old 06-24-2013, 11:08 PM   #268
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ls -a /usr/share/applications/

Code:
CMake.desktop
Thunar-bulk-rename.desktop
Thunar-folder-handler.desktop
Thunar.desktop
amdcccle.desktop
amdccclesu.desktop
assistant.desktop
at-properties.desktop
audacious.desktop
blueman-manager.desktop
caja-autorun-software.desktop
caja-browser.desktop
caja-computer.desktop
caja-file-management-properties.desktop
caja-folder-handler.desktop
caja-home.desktop
caja.desktop
chromium-bsu.desktop
cups.desktop
dconf-editor.desktop
ddd.desktop
default-applications.desktop
designer.desktop
display-properties.desktop
distccmon-gnome.desktop
eboard.desktop
emacs.desktop
exo-file-manager.desktop
exo-mail-reader.desktop
exo-preferred-applications.desktop
exo-terminal-emulator.desktop
exo-web-browser.desktop
filezilla.desktop
flash-player-properties.desktop
gcr-prompter.desktop
gcr-viewer.desktop
geany.desktop
geeqie.desktop
gftp.desktop
gimp.desktop
gksu-properties.desktop
gksu.desktop
glade-3.desktop
globaltime.desktop
google-chrome.desktop
gpa.desktop
gucharmap.desktop
gvim.desktop
htop.desktop
kde4
keyboard.desktop
libreoffice-base.desktop
libreoffice-calc.desktop
libreoffice-draw.desktop
libreoffice-extension-manager.desktop
libreoffice-impress.desktop
libreoffice-math.desktop
libreoffice-startcenter.desktop
libreoffice-writer.desktop
libreoffice-xsltfilter.desktop
linguist.desktop
marco.desktop
mate-about-me.desktop
mate-about.desktop
mate-appearance-properties.desktop
mate-dictionary.desktop
mate-disk-usage-analyzer.desktop
mate-font-viewer.desktop
mate-keybinding.desktop
mate-network-properties.desktop
mate-network-scheme.desktop
mate-notification-properties.desktop
mate-panel.desktop
mate-power-preferences.desktop
mate-power-statistics.desktop
mate-screenshot.desktop
mate-search-tool.desktop
mate-session-properties.desktop
mate-settings-mouse.desktop
mate-system-log.desktop
mate-theme-installer.desktop
mate-volume-control.desktop
matecc.desktop
mimeinfo.cache
mozilla-firefox.desktop
mozilla-thunderbird.desktop
mozo.desktop
mplayer.desktop
nm-applet.desktop
nm-connection-editor.desktop
pan.desktop
panel-desktop-handler.desktop
panel-preferences.desktop
pidgin.desktop
qtconfig.desktop
qv4l2.desktop
scim-setup.desktop
scim.desktop
seamonkey-mail.desktop
seamonkey.desktop
skype.desktop
system-config-printer.desktop
thunar-settings.desktop
thunar-volman-settings.desktop
totem.desktop
transmission-gtk.desktop
uxterm.desktop
virtualbox.desktop
vlc.desktop
window-properties.desktop
wpa_gui.desktop
xaos.desktop
xarchiver.desktop
xboard-config.desktop
xboard-fen-viewer.desktop
xboard-pgn-viewer.desktop
xboard-tourney.desktop
xboard.desktop
xchat.desktop
xfcalendar.desktop
xfce-backdrop-settings.desktop
xfce-display-settings.desktop
xfce-keyboard-settings.desktop
xfce-mouse-settings.desktop
xfce-session-settings.desktop
xfce-settings-manager.desktop
xfce-ui-settings.desktop
xfce-wm-settings.desktop
xfce-wmtweaks-settings.desktop
xfce-workspaces-settings.desktop
xfce-xfcalendar-settings.desktop
xfce4-about.desktop
xfce4-accessibility-settings.desktop
xfce4-appfinder.desktop
xfce4-clipman.desktop
xfce4-mime-settings.desktop
xfce4-mixer.desktop
xfce4-notifyd-config.desktop
xfce4-power-manager-settings.desktop
xfce4-run.desktop
xfce4-screenshooter.desktop
xfce4-session-logout.desktop
xfce4-settings-editor.desktop
xfce4-taskmanager.desktop
xfce4-terminal.desktop
xine.desktop
xmms.desktop
xpdf.desktop
xsane.desktop
xscreensaver-properties.desktop
xterm.desktop
zenmap-root.desktop
zenmap.desktop
i dont see duplicates there, KDE apps like krita has a lot of duplicates in my dialogs list, is listed like 7 times. and okular like 10-11 times. when i use mate-menu-editor, which files are been modified? any clue on that?

edit: thunar's dialog has the same problems with duplicates entries of apps.

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Old 06-24-2013, 11:16 PM   #269
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Thanks - I don't see any KDE apps in there - maybe those are in /usr/share/applications/kde4 ? Perhaps do a ls in that directory too?

Also, can you start Thunar and see if the same duplicates are in Open With > Open With Other Application? BTW, I don't think mozo (mate menu editor) has any effect on what you see in the Open With > Other application list. I think mozo only deals with what you see in the menus.
 
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Thanks - I don't see any KDE apps in there - maybe those are in /usr/share/applications/kde4 ? Perhaps do a ls in that directory too?

Also, can you start Thunar and see if the same duplicates are in Open With > Open With Other Application? BTW, I don't think mozo (mate menu editor) has any effect on what you see in the Open With > Other application list. I think mozo only deals with what you see in the menus.
holy wacamole, i have a mess in the /usr/share/applications/kde4 dir, better start cleaning that up :P, thanks a lot.
 
  


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