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Old 09-02-2006, 01:38 AM   #16
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It's a poor carpenter who blames his hammer.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 03:12 AM   #17
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It's a poor carpenter who blames his hammer.
I suppose so, but I can't say I didn't try. I was getting pretty good with the ports system at FreeBSD, I seem to have more luck there. In FreeBSD, everything works for me, it's super stable, maybe my user ability is better suited over there?
 
Old 09-02-2006, 09:29 AM   #18
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Slackware, I don't see how people can say this is a good distro.
If only you'd learned how to use Slackware properly, you'd soon eat those words.

You can lead a horse to water...
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In FreeBSD, everything works for me, it's super stable, maybe my user ability is better suited over there?
It's your computer buddy. Do whatever suits you.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 10:33 AM   #19
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...I threw the disks in the garbage. Slackware, I don't see how people can say this is a good distro.......
Oh, man!!!!!
Running away, are you? Come on! Shape up! Don't give up!
You tried a damn experimental release candidate with a non-default huge 2.6.x kernel!!!!!
Why don't you just download the standard Slackware "stable-as-hell" 10.2 and install it with the default 2.4.x kernel? You can mess around with a custom-compiled kernel later and add all the bits that you like to!!
 
Old 09-02-2006, 10:54 AM   #20
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Edit: As a long time Slacker, it is almost funny sitting here watching all these complaints about the lack of HAL in Slackware... There must be 3 to 4 posts here per week about it. I can only begin to imagine the email that PV must get about it!
I had originally penned a rather harsh reply to the OP which I thought twice about and deleted. One of the points I made had to do exactly with this issue. I am concerned by the decreasing lack of basic linux knowledge required to install some distros these days. Some will argue this is required for a wider audience, and this may be true, but there is apparently a price to be paid for this. There was some other thread regarding being unable to mount a usb pen-drive without HAL. Very sad.

Regarding the xorg.conf - Patrick hasn't changed this for years so it still refers to the XFree86 project.

Now I have not used BSD so it may very well install very easily. I have a hard time believing that anyone using BSD for any appreciable amount of time would be this clueless.

I have heard that BSD users tend to whine allot though.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 11:01 AM   #21
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Oh, man!!!!!
Running away, are you? Come on! Shape up! Don't give up!
You tried a damn experimental release candidate with a non-default huge 2.6.x kernel!!!!!
Why don't you just download the standard Slackware "stable-as-hell" 10.2 and install it with the default 2.4.x kernel? You can mess around with a custom-compiled kernel later and add all the bits that you like to!!
That was my suggestion as well, but I get the feeling this thread is not really about finding a solution.

Like I said: PEBCAK
 
Old 09-02-2006, 11:11 AM   #22
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....I am concerned by the decreasing lack of basic linux knowledge required to install some distros these days.....Very sad.....
Yeah, I get your point. I guess that's how Ubuntu has gotten so popular lately: It's a windoze replacement. Slack and some "advanced" distros aren't meant to be a replacement but an alternative.
Say, I don't want to sound rough to the OP, but how can you be all stalled without a mouse? Aren't you a BSD user? I haven't installed one BSD unix because lack of time but ... come on! without the point-and-click device you are halted. Let me believe so for a windoze-loving fan.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 11:14 AM   #23
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Tomorrow I'm going back to BSD, I've had it with Linux.......
That's not a horrible idea, since you're already familiar with BSD. Here's my advice...

1) Leave a partition free on your drive for Slackware.
2) Install Slackware on the spare partition.
3) Take your time.

This is supposed to be fun. If you're getting frustrated, you need to slow down. Make sure you read the release notes and refer to the Slackware book. You knew there would be a learning curve with Slackware, so don't expect to learn it all today.

(The problem you're having is explained in the release notes, and in numerous threads here. You just need to go to the /extra directory and install the kernel modules. You're repeating the same mistake... just slow down and think about the solution.)
 
Old 09-02-2006, 03:03 PM   #24
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That's not a horrible idea, since you're already familiar with BSD. Here's my advice...

1) Leave a partition free on your drive for Slackware.
2) Install Slackware on the spare partition.
3) Take your time.

This is supposed to be fun. If you're getting frustrated, you need to slow down. Make sure you read the release notes and refer to the Slackware book. You knew there would be a learning curve with Slackware, so don't expect to learn it all today.

(The problem you're having is explained in the release notes, and in numerous threads here. You just need to go to the /extra directory and install the kernel modules. You're repeating the same mistake... just slow down and think about the solution.)
I may do just that jimX86. I have about 9GB free on my hard drive. When Slackware 11 final is released, if I am in the mood for some more self-inflicted mental abuse, I may give Slackware another try.

I have my FreeBSD mostly set-up, all the basic ports I like to have are installed. Everything is up to date, & running! FreeBSD runs even better than I thought, it is the best!

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Old 09-02-2006, 03:20 PM   #25
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I may do just that jimX86. I have about 9GB free on my hard drive. When Slackware 11 final is released, if I am in the mood for some more self-inflicted mental abuse, I may give Slackware another try.
I noticed from your earlier post that you must have a dial-up connection. If you want me to mail you a copy of Slackware 11 when it comes out, just email me. (I owe you one since earlier I encouraged you to give this a shot...)
 
Old 09-02-2006, 04:21 PM   #26
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I may do just that jimX86. I have about 9GB free on my hard drive. When Slackware 11 final is released, if I am in the mood for some more self-inflicted mental abuse, I may give Slackware another try.

I have my FreeBSD mostly set-up, all the basic ports I like to have are installed. Everything is up to date, & running! FreeBSD runs even better than I thought, it is the best!
You are already an advanced user if you were able to install FreeBSD.
I got FreeBSD 6.1 installed last month and it is about as difficult to configure as Slackware. There is an easy way to install the 2.6.xx kernel in Slackware, I've got the 2.6.13 kernel installed in Slackware 10.2. We can show you how to install the 2.6.17.11 kernel which will be shipping with the Slackware 11 install CDs. I'd be happy to help a fellow BSD user.
 
Old 09-02-2006, 07:31 PM   #27
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I am concerned by the decreasing lack of basic linux knowledge required to install some distros these days.
I think you can change that "some" to "most."

Slackware isn't Ubuntu. If Ubuntu is what you want, go and use Ubuntu. It's pretty simple really.
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Some will argue this is required for a wider audience, and this may be true, but there is apparently a price to be paid for this. There was some other thread regarding being unable to mount a usb pen-drive without HAL. Very sad.
I agree 100%. It seems that the average user wants a free Windows clone, not a truly alternative OS.
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Now I have not used BSD so it may very well install very easily. I have a hard time believing that anyone using BSD for any appreciable amount of time would be this clueless.
Yes. It certainly sounds like he's taking the Mickey. I tried OpenBSD earlier this year, and found it much more difficult to configure than any Linux distribution. That was my experience anyhow, and probably has more to do with the fact that I am used to the "Linux way" of doing things.
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Yeah, I get your point. I guess that's how Ubuntu has gotten so popular lately: It's a windoze replacement. Slack and some "advanced" distros aren't meant to be a replacement but an alternative.
As usual Raska , you're 100% correct!

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Old 09-02-2006, 07:54 PM   #28
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Actually, Linux is meant to be a UNIX replacement, and that's what it will always be at the core.

When I ran away from Windos, I wasn't looking for another Windos-like OS, I was looking for something different, and I kept hearing about Unix and its famous clone called Linux.

Personally, I dislike when people go and try to compare Linux/Windos, either reviewers, users or developers, who want a Windos feature (which was developed much closer to the core, like plug-and-play) and go and hack around the Unix philosophy which made Linux so great and put some nasty Windoish program.

But people tend to prefer what they are familiar with, and in this case this is Windos.

What raska said is quite right, people are nowadays looking for a *free* Windows, not a (free) Unix clone (claro, siempre pueden ir al mercado de San Juan de Dios, y comprar un Windos casi gratis )
 
Old 09-02-2006, 08:45 PM   #29
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All's I ask is that what is in the installer be sufficient to install the distro. Slackware is an upward learning curve, I know that. I do have a certain amount of ability with these O/S's. I ran the Slackware installer, I did install things fine. My mouse was frozen at the point where the KDE desktop successfully loaded. No other system I have installed did this. My equipment is just regular normall stuff.

You can insult me all you want, call me an Ubuntu dummy, a newbie from Windows [neither of which I am] , whatever, I got it going, you guys are the ones that left something out, not me.

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Old 09-02-2006, 09:01 PM   #30
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All's I ask is that what is in the graphical installer be sufficient to install the distro. Slackware is an upward learning curve, I know that. I do have a certain amount of ability with these O/S's. I ran the Slackware installer, I did install things fine. My mouse was frozen at the point where the KDE desktop successfully loaded. No other system I have installed did this. My equipment is just regular normall stuff.
I'm gonna mail Pat about including the linux-modules-2.6.* package under a/ (maybe as OPT or REC) or at least under some other disk1 folder for Slack-11, since I'm still convinced that such is the cause of your problem.

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You can insult me all you want, call me an Ubuntu dummy, a newbie from Windows [neither of which I am] , whatever, I got it going, you guys are the ones that left something out, not me.
I didn't meant to insult you, and my second post wasn't directed towards you at all, I was just commenting on the general status of most of the Linux population (developers included), which wasn't even started by me... (I had assumed that this thread had become off-topic after you said that you'll stop trying)

I'm sorry if my post insulted you in any way, it wasn't mean to insult anybody, nor to call you a Windows/Ubuntu newb (which isn't an insult, at all).

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