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em21701 02-22-2008 08:47 PM

AMD64 Question
 
I recently installed Slack12 on my desktop and now prefer it to Kubuntu which I had there before. I also have Kubuntu installed on my laptop which has an AMD Turion64. Can I install slack on there? I saw that there was an unofficial 64 bit version, but I thought I also saw that it was pretty buggy/unstable. I have been unable to find a direct answer searching the forum/net, and I am hoping that it is feasable.

Thanks in advance,
Eric

masonm 02-22-2008 09:19 PM

Yes you can install it on there. It runs fine with a 64 bit processor.

Peacedog 02-22-2008 09:20 PM

Hi em21701, Yes, Slack should run fine there. IMHO unless you have 4gb or more of ram you shouldn't need a 64bit os. If you are running that much ram you might want to try Slamd64.
Good luck. ;-)

cathectic 02-23-2008 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by em21701 (Post 3066786)
I saw that there was an unofficial 64 bit version, but I thought I also saw that it was pretty buggy/unstable.

Earlier versions had trouble, yes. I wouldn't class Slamd64 12.0 as buggy or unstable though.

BW64User 02-23-2008 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em21701 (Post 3066786)
I saw that there was an unofficial 64 bit version, but I thought I also saw that it was pretty buggy/unstable. I have been unable to find a direct answer searching the forum/net, and I am hoping that it is feasable.
Eric

You can try Bluewhite64 which is another unofficial port. I'm using it already and works great.

H_TeXMeX_H 02-23-2008 03:14 AM

unofficial does not equal buggy

em21701 02-23-2008 05:42 AM

Thank you all. I didn't assume that unofficial = buggy, that was just the result of googling "Slackware amd 64". There were quite a few posts mentioning trouble with slamd64, though it seems based on reactions here that it was an older version. I already have the DVD for Slack12 so I'll probably go with that, although I'll certainly take a look at the 2 alternatives posted here.

Thanks again,
Eric

T3slider 02-23-2008 11:19 AM

I installed official Slackware 12.0 on my AMD64 machine just to avoid complications (such as the Flash thing). I realize that most of these are somewhat solved, but Slackware runs fast enough and a 64-bit architecture running with both 64- and 32-bit libraries isn't necessarily faster than a 32-bit OS (although it may be). Or so I've been told.

cathectic 02-23-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by T3slider (Post 3067329)
I installed official Slackware 12.0 on my AMD64 machine just to avoid complications (such as the Flash thing).

With nspluginwrapper (included in Slamd64), Flash isn't a problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3slider (Post 3067329)
a 64-bit architecture running with both 64- and 32-bit libraries isn't necessarily faster than a 32-bit OS

On x86-64, for CPU intensive operations, yes, there is a noticeable difference with having native 64 bit applications and libraries (other architectures are a bit different).

For light/ minor usage, you may not notice the difference.

mjgreen 02-23-2008 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em21701 (Post 3066786)
I recently installed Slack12 on my desktop and now prefer it to Kubuntu which I had there before. I also have Kubuntu installed on my laptop which has an AMD Turion64. Can I install slack on there? I saw that there was an unofficial 64 bit version, but I thought I also saw that it was pretty buggy/unstable. I have been unable to find a direct answer searching the forum/net, and I am hoping that it is feasable.

You have several options:

1) Plain old slackware will run fine. Unless you have some specific need for 64 bit support (such as 4GB or more RAM, or some 64 bit software that you want to run) this option is probably all you need.

2) Run Slamd64 - this is a 64 bit slackware port. I'm running it in a couple places and its fine. If you also need to run 32 bit software, it has 32 bit support via multilib.

3) Run Bluewhite64 - this is pure 64 bit slackware port, ie there's no 32 bit support. So if you need to run 32 bit only software, this isn't the option for you.

4) Build you own 64 bit slackware port :) This is my personal favourite, though in most cases its overkill :)

arny 02-23-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mjgreen (Post 3067459)
You have several options:

3) Run Bluewhite64 - this is pure 64 bit slackware port, ie there's no 32 bit support. So if you need to run 32 bit only software, this isn't the option for you.

It has :). The latest stable version 12.0 supports the 32 bit CLI and GUI applications ;).

mjgreen 02-24-2008 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arny (Post 3067651)
It has :). The latest stable version 12.0 supports the 32 bit CLI and GUI applications ;).

u sure? Is that a new thing? Even the title on their webpage says "Pure 64-bit Linux...." http://www.bluewhite64.com/news.php

arny 02-24-2008 06:32 AM

100% sure :)

Details can be found here: http://data.bluewhite64.com/bluewhit...-EMULATION.TXT

By default the 12.0 version it comes in pure 64-bit, and that's why the title say that :)

cathectic 02-24-2008 12:19 PM

Slamd64 will allow you to install and use 32 bit Slackware packages directly, since it actually sticks to the AMD64 ABI and uses lib64 for 64 bit packages and leaves lib alone for 32 bit packages, rather than trying to bolt on lib32 further down the line (which breaks compatibility with x86 Slackware packages, since you'll have to compile your own 32 bit software to make it use lib32).

arny 02-24-2008 04:05 PM

Great with the libs, but what with the binaries? They will overwrite the 64-bit ones and the result will be a mixed system. Imagine when you try to upgrade a 64-bit package... In my opinion it is a little bit confused :).


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