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Old 01-07-2005, 07:13 AM   #1
Iulian_B
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Again, about ATI Radeon 9200 SE


Hello all,
Recently, I bought a Gigabyte Radeon 9200 SE powered by ATI, with TV out, and installed it. Under XP works fine, sends signals to TV etc.
Under Linux I have some problems.
I run Slack 10.0, kernel 2.4.26, and no ideea (for now) about version of xorg. The X server didn't start (I know, I should give here the error echo but...).
Seeing that I've downloaded ATI driver for XFree86 4.3.0.

(my hardware is as follows: M/B Gigabyte GA7 VAXP - ultra, Gigabyte Radeon 9200 SE powered by ATI - AGP port, Philips 170c5BS TFT monitor and a TV - new model, 100MHZ)

I did this (following instruction of "ATI Radeon Linux How-To" by Peter Gracar - http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/) :

cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig
Character devices /dev/apgart - enabled
Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 DRI support) - disabled
Processor type and family MTRR - enabled
Kernel hacking kernel debugging - disabled

>>> every item enabled is compiled in kernel, not module
>>> should I do otherwise ?

make dep && make clean bzImage modules modules_install
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage.new
/sbin/lilo
reboot

>>> machine restarted ok

I've installed ATI driver following the steps

1. cd into directory containing the drivers you just downloaded
2. rpm2tgz fglrx****.rpm
3. installpkg fglrx****.tgz
4. cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
5. sh make.sh
6. cd ..
7. sh make_install.sh
8. fglrxconfig

The fglrxconfig command goes like this:

==============================================================================
ATI - FIRE GL - BE THE CREATOR
==============================================================================

This program will create the ATI "XF86Config-4" file
- based on your selections - for the below listed boardtypes...

- ATI Radeon 8500 / 9100
- ATI FireGL 8700 / 8800 / E1
- ATI FireGL T2
- ATI Radeon 9000
- ATI Radeon 9200
- ATI Radeon 9500
- ATI Radeon 9600
- ATI Radeon 9700
- ATI Radeon 9800
- ATI FireGL Z1 / X1 / X2
- ATI Mobility M9
- ATI Mobility FireGL 9000
- ATI Mobility M9PLUS

The "XF86Config-4" file usually resides in /etc/X11.


Press [Enter] to continue, press 'q'&[Enter] or [Ctrl]+'c' to abort.

==============================================================================
Mouse
==============================================================================

Specify the mouse port type. Choose one from the following list:

1. Serial Port
2. PS/2 or USB with PS/2 protocol
3. Inport Bus

Enter the number for your port type: [2] 2

Specify the mouse model. Choose one from the following list:

1. PS/2 Mouse (X11 generic ps/2 mouse driver)
2. PS/2 Wheel Mouse (X11 generic ps/2 wheel mouse driver)
3. Microsoft Intellimouse (PS2)
4. Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer (PS2)
5. Kensington ThinkingMouse (PS2)
6. Logitech MouseManPlus (PS2)
7. Alps Glidepoint PS/2 Touchpad
8. Genius NetMouse
9. Genius NetScroll

Enter the number for your mouse model: [2] 2

If your mouse has only two buttons, it is recommended that you enable
Emulate3Buttons.

Do you want to enable Emulate3Buttons (y/n)? [n] n

Now give the full device name that the mouse is connected to, for example
/dev/tty00 or /dev/mouse or /dev/psaux (includes IBM Laptops).

Mouse device: [/dev/mouse] /dev/mouse

==============================================================================
Keyboard
==============================================================================

Please select one of the following keyboard types that is the better
description of your keyboard. If nothing really matches,
choose 1 (Generic 101-key PC)

1. Generic 101-key PC
2. Generic 102-key (Intl) PC
3. Generic 104-key PC
4. Generic 105-key (Intl) PC
5. Dell 101-key PC
6. Everex STEPnote
7. Keytronic FlexPro
8. Microsoft Natural
9. Northgate OmniKey 101
10. Winbook Model XP5
11. Japanese 106-key
12. PC-98xx Series

Enter a number to choose the keyboard type: [1] 1

Please select the layout corresponding to your keyboard

1. U.S. English
2. U.S. English w/ISO9995-3
3. Belgian
4. Bulgarian
5. Canadian
6. Czechoslovakian
7. German
8. Swiss German
9. Danish
10. Spanish
11. Finnish
12. French
13. Swiss French
14. United Kingdom
15. Hungarian
16. Italian
17. Japanese
18. Norwegian

Press [Enter] for the next page or
enter the number for your keyboard layout country: 1

==============================================================================
FireGL Display Settings
==============================================================================

Quad Buffer Stereo ("Active Stereo"):

This driver does support Quad Buffer Stereo ("Active Stereo")
in combination with a CRT monitor (refresh rate abt. 100 to 120 Hz)
and the appropiate stereo viewing subsystem hardware. This can be
e.g. a shutter glasses system (infrared or wired) or an active
polarisation device paired with passive stereo polarization glasses.

Do you want to enable "Quad Buffer Stereo" (y/n)? [n] n

==============================================================================
TV out Configuration
==============================================================================

Do you want to enable TV out (y/n)? [n] y

==============================================================================
FireGL Screen Layout
==============================================================================

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Maximum resolution for OpenGL operation |
| |
| - R200 chip family (Radeon 8500-9100 Pro, FireGL 8700/8800/E1): |
| 2048x2048 |
| - R300 chip family (Radeon 9500-9700 Pro, FireGL T2/Z1/X1/X2): |
| 2560x2560 |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Choose configuration from the list below

1. Single Head (1 screen, second dark)
2. Laptop Mode (Ability to toggle between internal / external screen)
3. Clone Mode (2 screens - same content)
4. Big Desktop (2 screens - one framebuffer)
5. Dual Head (2 screens - two drivers)

Enter the number for your configuration: [1] 1

>>> here I hed answered in 2 ways:
- first with 1 the X server started

- second with 3 X did not start

(I don't know what should I choose for having TV out signal)

==============================================================================
Monitor Settings
==============================================================================

Now we want to set the specifications of the monitor(s). The two critical
parameters are the vertical refresh rate, which is the rate at which the
the whole screen is refreshed, and most importantly the horizontal sync rate,
which is the rate at which scanlines are displayed.

The valid range for horizontal sync and vertical sync should be documented
in the manual of your monitor. If in doubt, check the monitor database
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/Monitors to see if your monitor is there.

Press [Enter] to continue, press 'q'&[Enter] or [Ctrl]+'c' to abort.

You must indicate the horizontal sync range of your monitor. You can either
select one of the predefined ranges below that correspond to industry-
standard monitor types, or give a specific range.

It is VERY IMPORTANT that you do not specify a monitor type with a horizontal
sync range that is beyond the capabilities of your monitor. If in doubt,
choose a conservative setting.

hsync in kHz; monitor type with characteristic modes
1. 31.5 ; up to 640x480 @ 60 Hz (VGA)
2. 31.5 - 37.9; up to 800x600 @ 60 Hz (SVGA)
3. 31.5 - 48.4; up to 1024x768 @ 60 Hz (XGA)
4. 31.5 - 60.0; up to 1024x768 @ 75 Hz (XGA)
5. 31.5 - 68.7; up to 1024x768 @ 85 Hz (XGA)
6. 31.5 - 80.5; up to 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz (SXGA)
7. 31.5 - 91.1; up to 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz (SXGA)
8. Enter your own horizontal sync range

Enter your choice (1-8): [1] 8 (for my Philips 170C5BS TFT monitor)


You must indicate the vertical sync range of your monitor. You can either
select one of the predefined ranges below or give a specific range.

1. 20 - 60 (e.g. slow scan flat panels with DVI cable)
2. 50 - 70 (VGA)
3. 60 - 75
4. 60 - 85
5. 60 - 100
6. Specify your own vertical sync range

Enter your choice: [1] 6 (for my Philips 170C5BS TFT monitor)

==============================================================================
Display Modes
==============================================================================

The default resolution that the server will start-up with will be the first
listed mode that can be supported by the monitor and card.
Currently it is set to:

"640x480" for 24-bit

Modes that cannot be supported due to monitor or clock constraints will
be automatically skipped by the server.

1. Change the modes for 24-bit (24-bit color)
2. The modes are OK, continue.

Enter your choice: 1

Select your modes from the following list:

1 "640x480"
2 "800x600"
3 "1024x768"
4 "1152x864"
5 "1280x960"
6 "1280x1024"
7 "1400x1050"
8 "1600x1200"
9 "1792x1344"

Please list the digits and characters for the modes that you want to use.
For example, '632' selects "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600", with
the default mode of "1280x1024".

Which modes do you want? 6

The default resolution that the server will start-up with will be the first
listed mode that can be supported by the monitor and card.
Currently it is set to:

"1280x1024" for 24-bit

Modes that cannot be supported due to monitor or clock constraints will
be automatically skipped by the server.

1. Change the modes for 24-bit (24-bit color)
2. The modes are OK, continue.

Enter your choice: 2

You can have a virtual screen (desktop), which is screen area that is larger
than the physical screen and which is panned by moving the mouse to the edge
of the screen. The largest resolution in the modelist is used for any of the
listed resolution with less dimensions. Each color depth can have a
differently-sized virtual screen. Virtual screens resolutions are set
for each color depth separately.


Note: This grafics adapter will always select the maximum
x and y resolution as the default virtual desktop resolution.
This complies with general X11 specifications. see "man XF86Config".

Do you want to use a virtual desktop where the dimensions are bigger
than your maximum x and y screen resolution? (y/n) [n] n

==============================================================================
Direct Rendering Interface Restrictions
==============================================================================

Please specify which restriction sheme you want to implement:

1. no restrictions - any user has access to the OpenGL ICD
2. limited to group 'users' - only group members can access the OpenGL ICD
3. limited to group 'root' - only group members can access the OpenGL ICD
4. limited to group 'video' - only group members can access the OpenGL ICD
5. limited to group 'dri' - only group members can access the OpenGL ICD

Enter the number for your default user restrictions: [1] 1

==============================================================================
Application Profiles
==============================================================================

Please select application specific profile:

1. Default
2. Individual Configuration of Capabilities
3. Maya
4. SOFTIMAGE|XSI
5. SOFTIMAGE|3D
6. Houdini 4.0
7. Houdini 5.0
8. Houdini 5.5

Enter the number for your profile: [1] 1

==============================================================================
Advanced Graphics Features Settings
==============================================================================

Do you want to initialize xfree86-dga (y/n)? [n] n

Do you want to export pseudo color visuals (y/n)? [n] n

Do you want to synchronize buffer swaps
with the vertical sync signal (y/n)? [n] n

>>> anyway, what means these three steps (or, where should I read about them ?)

==============================================================================
Full Scene Anti Aliasing (FSAA)
==============================================================================

Please select multi sample visuals you want to share:

1 = All (Visuals for 2,4 and 6 Samples per Pixel)
2 = Visuals for 2 Samples per Pixel
4 = Visuals for 4 Samples per Pixel
6 = Visuals for 6 Samples per Pixel

Please enter: [1] 1

Do you want to force multi sample visuals
for every OpenGL application? (y/n)? [n] n

Disable FSAA Gamma (y/n)? [n] n

Customize FSAA Multi Sample Position (y/n)? [n] n

==============================================================================
Advanced OS Settings
==============================================================================

External AGPGART module:

It is possible (but not recommended) to turn off the usage of
built-in agp support of the provided fglrx kernel module and
use the external AGP GART module (agpgart.o) of the Linux kernel.
If you want to use the external module then ensure that it loads
prior to the drivers full startup. In order to manually load the
external agpgart module execute this on the commandline (as root):
/sbin/insmod agpgart
or alternatively configure your system to auto load the module.

Do you want to use the external AGP GART module (y/n)? [n] y


AGP Locked User Pages

The grafics driver is able to read and write textures and bitmaps trough AGP
mapped and locked views of the main memory for the application's mem space.
Performing those mapping task depends on several successfull interaction steps
with the Linux kernel. A failure in this process might lead to some messages
in the kernel log. If these kernel functions are failing silently or in case
of other heavy incompatibility (e.g. a new kernel memory manger) then there
is a high chance that the system will hang as soon as the graphics adpater
wants to read from assumed but nor really mapped memory location.

If you do see that the advanced fgl_glxgears application halts your session
whilst the simple glxgears does run nicely then please disable this feature.

If you do see lots of notifications about failed kernel calls for mem locking
then please disable this feature and re-check the kernel message log.

Do you want to enable "AGP Locked User Pages" (y/n)? [y] y


TLS Method: *** this only applys to the FireGL workstation boards ***

The grafics driver supports two different methods of thread local storage.
The first method is fast but might immediately abort when used with
WineX, VM emulators or some other advanced programming tools.
The second method is up to 10% slower in a few rendering cases
but does nicely cope with any sort of exotic software.

For more details on this topic, please see the readme.

If not totally sure about your needs, then please select "0 - default".

0 - default (FireGL workstation boards: fast)
1 - fast operation (only for standard gnu C/C++ OpenGL applications)
2 - compatible operation (for WineX, VM emulators and some profilers)

Which storage method do you want to use? [0] 0


==============================================================================
Finish
==============================================================================

I am going to write the XF86Config-4 file now. Make sure you don't accidently
overwrite a previously configured one.

Shall I write it to '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' (y/n)? y

9. rename /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to xorg.conf (backup your xorg.conf first)
10. reboot or restart x server


The X started despite the message that don't find screen :0

And NO TV out. In fact there is some signal but the image on TV is scrambled

Can anyone help me or tell me what to read for getting TVout working ?
Did I do something wrong ?

(Sorry for this long (too long) post)

Thank you for the patience
 
Old 01-07-2005, 07:26 AM   #2
SlackerLX
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I told Xavier that my thread should, perhaps be sticky.....
Hello there!
Had this problem too. My video is ATI Saphire Radeon 9000 Atlantis Pro. And I simply snatched SUSE configuration of 3D rendering
Here it is:

# /.../
# SaX generated XFree86 config file
# Created on: 2005-01-07T02:27:34+0200.
#
# Version: 4.8
# Contact: Marcus Schaefer <sax@suse.de>, 2002
#
# Automatically generated by [ISaX] (4.8)
# PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
#

Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/japanese:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/xtest"
FontPath "/opt/kde3/share/fonts"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS0"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS1"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS2"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS3"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS4"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS5"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS6"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS7"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS8"
InputDevices "/dev/psaux"
InputDevices "/dev/logibm"
InputDevices "/dev/sunmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/atibm"
InputDevices "/dev/amigamouse"
InputDevices "/dev/atarimouse"
InputDevices "/dev/inportbm"
InputDevices "/dev/gpmdata"
InputDevices "/dev/mouse"
InputDevices "/dev/usbmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/adbmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/input/mice"
InputDevices "/dev/input/event0"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer0"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer1"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer2"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer3"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
Option "RandR" "on"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "v4l"
Load "extmod"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
Load "dbe"
Load "dri"
Load "speedo"
Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "Keyboard"
Identifier "Keyboard[0]"
Option "Protocol" "Standard"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Driver "mouse"
Identifier "Mouse[1]"
Option "Buttons" "5"
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option "Name" "Autodetection"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Vendor" "Sysp"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection


Section "Monitor"
Option "CalcAlgorithm" "CheckDesktopGeometry"
DisplaySize 320 240
HorizSync 30-71
Identifier "Monitor[0]"
ModelName "SYNCMASTER 793DF/793MB"
VendorName "SAMSUNG"
VertRefresh 50-160
UseModes "Modes[0]"
EndSection


Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes[0]"
Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066
EndSection


Section "Screen"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
Device "Device[0]"
Identifier "Screen[0]"
Monitor "Monitor[0]"
EndSection


Section "Device"
BoardName "RV250 If"
BusID "3:0:0"
Driver "radeon"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
Option "Rotate" "off"
VendorName "ATI"
EndSection


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout[all]"
InputDevice "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer"
Option "Clone" "off"
Option "Xinerama" "off"
Screen "Screen[0]"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Group "video"
Mode 0660
EndSection



And you do need the commercial driver of ATI, because it sucks
 
Old 01-07-2005, 07:32 AM   #3
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hi there,

to start....does hw-acceleration actually work ?
type " $glxinfo " to check.
and " $glxgears " to look at the framerate (fps )

and for the TV-out.....maybe best to post the xorg.conf file you are using.

furthermore i always make agp-support modular and not compiled-in.
i don't know if that's needed though....

egag
 
Old 01-10-2005, 07:51 AM   #4
Iulian_B
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Hi,
Thanks both of you, SlackerLX and egag.
Unfortunately, these days I was busy: no time to test neither to answer, hope this evening ... My local time is 14:28, 10 Jan

SlackerLX -> What about ISaX? How do you snatched SuSE config file ? From where, because I don't have SuSE on my machine ...
egag -> neither glxinfo nor fglrxinfo returned any info (I ran them from console - no X). In fact, the echo was something like this: couldn't start screen :0 - I am very sorry I haven't redirect error to a file for posting here ... I'll do this tonight ...

Thanks again and hope to manage this somehow ...
 
Old 01-10-2005, 08:20 AM   #5
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hi again,

- all those " glx...." command are meant to see if the driver is working correct.
in textmode that driver isn't even running. you have to use them in X.

-i saw you compiled in agp-support ; i would keep that modular
also compile dri-support as a module.
you can get hw.- acceleration in 2 ways : use the ati-driver ( and not load the dri-module ) or use the radeon-driver with the dri-module.

-first get your driver working properly, then check/enable tv-out .

egag
 
Old 01-11-2005, 10:55 AM   #6
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Hello there Iulian_B!
I was also very busy at work for two days and when I came home and opened evolution, Inbox exploded with 30 messages.
But anyway, I do not have the SuSe either. I HAD suse before, where I snatched the 3D configuration from. It works great on both Slackware and Debian.
 
  


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