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No thanks. When I build something like ffmpeg I like to be right in the middle of the process so I can make sure I get all the bells an whistles. It takes a little more time to do things tailored to my system but I wouldn't care much for some generic package that someone else "thinks" I would be happy with. To write a proper review of Slack, I would think that the reviewer should actually use it long enough to get the "feel" of it. |
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You are correct in that this seems to be the point of view from which see is writing. Nonetheless, her paradigm for the "ease of use" criticism is flawed. Could Linux really be easy to use for someone who does not know anything about how to use Linux? No. Is learning a new set of point-and-click dialog boxes "using" Linux? Perhaps it is in the strictest sense, but has a person at that point really learned anything about Linux or how to use it? Of course not. Slackware is easy to use . . . for Linux users. Her criticism of Slackware for "failing" to meet its ease of use goal is analogous to someone criticizing a keyboard for being too hard to use for people who don't know how to type. |
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I agree with Woodsman & hitest in their opinions on Caitlyn's review. For any "average" Linux user who's only come to it in the past four or five years, Slackware appears "primitive" in some ways. However, the proof of Slackware's excellence can only be seen once it has been experienced.
I came to Linux 10 1/2 years ago, with Red Hat 5.2 and no idea of how anything worked. All I had was curiosity, a blank hard drive and the pdfs that came with the retail sales box (which was priced at $20). After a few months of learning Linux in my "hobby" hours, I moved to Mandrake 7. True, it was like going from a straight shift to an automatic. I saw a couple of articles on Debian and took an interest in it next. I learned so much more about "how Linux worked" from Debian than I did from either Mandrake or Red Hat -- and this was with an 8mb video card, 256 mb ram, on a p3 and a V92 modem. I still remember the overnight hours it took to download emacs at the time. In all of this time my only resources for learning were (1) the Red Hat pdfs, (2) the web, (3) two slim Mandrake booklets, (4) the Debian Bible, (6) Linux Mag & Linux Journal and (5) my time. No human contacts, no forums, nothing else. Yet even I was able to install Slackware 9 from a "Linux User & Developer" magazine cd (which I still have. The "cover" reads: Latest version! Easy to install! Fuss free! Linux kernel 2.4.20x Free86 4.3 OGCC 3.2 ...and so on. And a picture of Tux and his red pipe.). In no time at all, Slackware became my default Linux, just as FreeBSD at around the same time became my default *BSD. Both worked great on both that PC and the desktop machine I Built By Myself seven years ago. I had some laptop troubles when I switched to one about 3 years ago, but I overcame even that. Today I still check out one openSUSE, Debian, Ubuntu, gNewSense, VectorLinux, Puppy and Fedora release each year and install them on a 20G "test drive" I use just for curiosity in their installation & repository schemes. Each distro stays on the testbed for one to five days. (Last time, Fedora stayed on the drive maybe 7 hours before I wiped it off :-) ). And I remain convinced of the superiority of both Slackware and FreeBSD for my needs. I applaud Patrick & the other Slackware volunteers for keeping the installer & package tools just as they are. And it's going to be the rare reviewer who reviews Slackware as Its Own Thing and not something else. After all, am I wrong, or aren't 2/3 of the people who'd be reading a Distrowatch review be pretty savvy? (And the other 1/3 -- mostly recent converts -- may be in some tech nether world for awhile?) And that's the opinion of this 48 year-old woman. |
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I've even had Mandriva (2009.0) install fine but then not even work. I checked the DVD and it was indeed good to go (md5sum). (Now some distros are offering only the CD, not the DVD, which is sad in my opinion.) How do you call the above "easy to use"? I learned to fix problems like other people have during my time using Slackware Linux and having to do things myself. I've helped people with the weirdest problems using Ubuntu or whatever else using my Slackware skills: problems their graphical tools didn't solve. A promise made but not kept is better not made. This is why Slackware promises nothing but delivers, at least for me. I am not hating on other distributions, and I understand your complaints, but I just don't agree with you. This is why stability trumps usability: you can't use something that's broken. |
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if grep -wq ext4 /proc/filesystems 1> $NDIR 2> $NDIR ; then Re-reading my own rant and other people's comments, I will agree that she does a generally more balanced and technically accurate review than many (though hardly perfect) but to all those who claim she's being totally dispassionate and objective, I just point to phrases like, "grossly incomplete" and "pretty much inexcusable" and so on. |
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It depends on how literal you want to be with "linux user". Almost all "car users" know little about how their car works (they would probably save a bit of time/money/environment if they did know a little more!) but they are nevertheless users of cars. |
Is Caitlyn real? If you read her reviews of 12.1 and 13.0, you'll find some passages that are identical. So, could she be some kind of review writing software, with a user-friendly GUI where you enter the distro name and it churns out a suitable, cliche-ridden, article?
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?is...091005#feature http://news.oreilly.com/2008/06/slac...est-versi.html |
Well i got to admit that she's slowly getting better. In the 12.1 "review" she mentioned vectorlinux 7 times. In the 13.0 one, only 4.
Thank bob she doesn't write reviews about Debian. |
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It is ludicrous that advanced users should be permitted to claim that anything is "simple" or "easy to use". You never hear astronauts proclaiming that landing the space shuttle is easy; an airline pilot praising how simple it is to fly a 777; or a photographer claiming that it's a piece of cake to take pictures with the new Canon SLRs.
Likewise it is inconceivable that users of an advanced operating system should ever consider activating an FTP server by deleting a character in 'inetd.conf', or changing the screen resolution by adding a line to 'xorg.conf', to be "simple". How ridiculous you Slackers are to think that you can consider YOUR WAY of doing something "easy" -- you forfeited that right the first time you compiled a program from source. You sacrificed all opportunity to praise elegance and transparency when you first grepped in /var/log/packages to determine what package a library belongs to, or performed an 'ldd' to list a program's dependencies. If you can hit more than two characters on the keyboard in sequence then you are no longer permitted to use the words "simple", "easy", or (heaven forfend) "usable"; those words are reserved solely for the infantile caveman who aspires to no greater ambition than to point at pretty pictures on the wall and grunt "Next...". Shame on you, Slackers! |
Well said, saulgoode!
Cheers. (That name is familiar; electronics? :) ) |
Configure Slackware is very, very simple, but acquiring the knowledge is up to you. This only demand brain, not skill. If you failed, it was not Slackware fault...
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I read about slackware stability and many benefits so i think slackware suitable for servers not only desktop :-) |
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So, no, it is not true. |
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