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Old 03-28-2011, 08:53 AM   #1
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3.6.37 vs 2.6.38 in current


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Saw this Post on LWN this morning:

http://lwn.net/Articles/435667/

I wonder if it would make sense for Pat and the team to bump the Kernel from 2.6.37.5 to 2.6.38.2 (or 2.6.38.?) before 13.37 is released ?

-- kjh
 
Old 03-28-2011, 09:23 AM   #2
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Does it matter?
Slacware kernels are always vanilla.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 09:46 AM   #3
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Does it matter?
Yep, I believe it matter. Because the 2.6.38.x kernels have, compared with 2.6.37.x series, a much improved DRM stack. Read: faster and better video-drivers for KDE4's jingles and bells, and even for games ...
 
Old 03-28-2011, 09:47 AM   #4
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linux-2.6.38.1-configs

check this out:

ftp://ftp.slackware.no/slackware/sla....38.1-configs/

i guess this will be available as a 2.6.38 option for those who want it
 
Old 03-28-2011, 09:48 AM   #5
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I think maybe this matters more
Quote:
I'm announcing the release of the 2.6.37.6 kernel.

All users of the 2.6.37 kernel series must upgrade.

No, scrap that, they should move to the 2.6.38 kernel series as the .37
series is now end-of-life and will get no more updates.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 09:54 AM   #6
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I'm announcing the release of the 2.6.37.6 kernel.

All users of the 2.6.37 kernel series must upgrade.

No, scrap that, they should move to the 2.6.38 kernel series as the .37
series is now end-of-life and will get no more updates.
I think maybe this matters more
The 2.6.33 kernel in 13.1 wasnt an LTS kernel either IIRC.

edit: oh nevermind its listed as longterm in http://kernel.org/

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Old 03-28-2011, 09:54 AM   #7
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I have a thread on my nvidia card working straight out of the box with the 2.6.38 kernel verses the 2.6.37 kernel.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...urrent-860976/
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:00 AM   #8
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I have a thread on my nvidia card working straight out of the box with the 2.6.38 kernel verses the 2.6.37 kernel.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...urrent-860976/
As I expected, right?

Well, the major news of 2.6.38.x compared with 2.6.37.x series was, like I said, a major DRM update.

To repeat, technically, 2.6.38 is an 2.6.37 + a huge improved DRM stack.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:04 AM   #9
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If the 37 series is officially EOL'ed then I can't see Pat + team releasing 13.37 with that kernel.

It wouldn't be very 1337 to release with a dead kernel branch, IMHO.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:09 AM   #10
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I think maybe this matters more
Well yes... but why do you need a slackware package.
I'm running 2.6.38 (kernel.org) on my laptop without any problems.

I don't see why Slacware should bother with this before a next release.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:12 AM   #11
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Well yes... but why do you need a slackware package.
I'm running 2.6.38 (kernel.org) on my laptop without any problems.

I don't see why Slacware should bother with this before a next release.
Because, maybe not all Slackware users known how to build properly a new kernel? There is some n00bs, right?
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:29 AM   #12
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as I see it, having the availability of fixes from upstream it's a good thing and needs less effort in maintaining.
but I'm common-sense talking, I've not a view on the matter as wide as Pat, and if he thinks it's safer to stay with 2.6.37 it's ok too, AFAIC.

BTW, I'm running a 2.6.38-zen nearly on all of my l33t hosts.

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Old 03-28-2011, 10:31 AM   #13
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Upstream kernel longevity is always a bit of an issue for Slackware. Unlike Redhat, Pat and the team don't have the resources to back-port fixes and maintain their own stable kernel tree. So, you either have to sacrifice stability and track the upstream releases more closely, or you end up with an old end-of-lifed kernel version.

Even if Pat did ship .38, when .39 releases in a month or two's time, we'll still be in the exact same situation.

The way upstream kernel releases are managed really only seems to suit a "rolling release" approach. It's an awkward situation for Pat to deal with.


Personally, I normally track whatever the latest upstream kernel is with my own custom builds, but I usually skip the .0 and .1 versions.
 
Old 03-28-2011, 10:57 AM   #14
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Saw this Post on LWN this morning:

http://lwn.net/Articles/435667/

I wonder if it would make sense for Pat and the team to bump the Kernel from 2.6.37.5 to 2.6.38.2 (or 2.6.38.?) before 13.37 is released ?

-- kjh
There's a lot of new stuff in 2.6.38. I think it needs a lot of shaking around, first. FYI, I have for years stuck my own kernels into Slackware systems (and much more in some cases). If you want 2.6.38, build 2.6.38, put it in whatever version you are running now, and shake it around a bit for us.
 
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:22 AM   #15
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Let me tell you why it is important DRM from 2.6.38 ...

Linus is very reluctant to enter the alpha code in the main trunk of the kernel.

But the team's David Airlie, they are including the AMD and Red Hat developers, preparing DRM Next Generation. This new DRM stack, much improved, was developed and tested separately, until it was suddenly placed in 2.6.38, because it was considered stable.

Therefore, it is important that 2.6.38.

The 2.6.38 kernel, combined with Mesa 7.10.1 (or GIT), works like a dream. Everything is in Gallium, apart from Intel, and the drivers are very fast and stable. Tested on R300G, R600G, Nouveau and i915 by me.

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