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Old 07-23-2006, 04:31 PM   #1
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2 in 1 - dropline-gnome question and tcl question


hi. first question is about dropline-gnome. can i install dropline on a slackware-current system ? does it work ok ? cause i have X11-6.9.0 from current and dropline has X11-6.8.2 and few other things that are older than the current packages.
and second question is about tcl, is it important to the system? do i need it for certain programs to run or it's needed only if i do any programming ?
thanks.
 
Old 07-23-2006, 09:53 PM   #2
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1. DON'T DO IT!!!

Seriously, chances are it will fail. Dropline is built against 10.2 specifically, and the upgraded Xorg will probably cause trouble. You _may_ be able to get it to work if you install Dropline's Xorg 6.9 though, but I _strongly_ don't recommend it.

2. You probably need it. TCL is what, 4MB? It's not even close to worth the trouble that you could have.
 
Old 07-24-2006, 04:42 AM   #3
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Slackware-current is a "moving target" and may unexpectedly break when used under Dropline.

Tcl is a hideous, hideous* language. Unless you're actually programming in tcl (in which case you already know that it's a hideous language) or doing heavy package development that uses tcl in it's test harnesses, you can just skip installing it.

* - I am not just making idle noises here. The syntax isn't very regular, and when I was coding with it, horror of horrors, I found that minor revisions to tcl often resulted in changes being made to the language itself that meant you'd have to go back and fix all the weird new bugs that would crop up. It's no fun spending substantial development time working up little hacks to make function behave the same way under multiple revisions of tcl.

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Old 07-24-2006, 04:54 AM   #4
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i'm trying to make a custom slackware cd here, and was wondering if i remove the packages that dropline replaces and put instead the packages from the dropline-installer, will it work ? cause then it will not find any packages and just install it's own unlike if it would had found a higher version than it's own and couldn't upgrade it because actually it had to downgrade it. is there a script or something to check which packages in dropline-installer replace what packages from my slackware directories (a , ap , d , etc.) and replace them, so i don't have to do all this by hand ?
 
Old 07-24-2006, 05:35 AM   #5
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Yeah, you can substitute the few packages it replaces from CD1 without issue. You'll need to know how to edit the tag files so that PAM gets marked as require, along with shadow or you won't be able to login, but this shoudn't be too hard.

Basically, CD1 (all of it, mind you, and none of CD2) is what we're using as a baseline when we start building each new release.

I would like to point out that really, if you just burn a CD with the dropline packages and the installer app, and simply slap CD1 of Slackware onto the drive without attempting to disable any (or at least, only a few) packages, things will still work fine and probably be faster than the time it's going to take you to modify a set of Slackware CDs. (No joke, this is how I usually reinstall.) Since X is on the second CD, you can also just skip the X diskset entirely, and that would eliminate probably >90% of the time it spends replacing stuff.

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Old 07-24-2006, 05:53 AM   #6
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think i'll just stick to -stable and only upgrade few packages by hand that i really need to be updated and that don't interfere with dropline's packages. i think this is the simplest and safest way, right?
 
Old 07-24-2006, 10:05 AM   #7
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think i'll just stick to -stable and only upgrade few packages by hand that i really need to be updated and that don't interfere with dropline's packages. i think this is the simplest and safest way, right?

Yep, that's always the safest method. Upgrade only when you have a reason to upgrade.
 
Old 07-24-2006, 11:08 AM   #8
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I think Dagmar covered this a bit, but you should know that Dropline's installer installs all of its packages in a very specific order. Slackware's installer does not do this. It happens to install things alphabetically. If you try to install the Dropline suite along with Slackware packages (in alphabetical order) with Slackware's installer things will probably not work correctly. The reason for this is due to the fact that GNOME generates a lot of things after installation via the doinst.sh (mostly stuff in the make install phase) to update some of its own internal databases. And if a dependency hasn't yet been installed for this, then you can run into some snags.
 
  


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