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Old 09-25-2006, 01:38 PM   #1
Slim Backwater
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2.4 or 2.6? Which will you *use* in 11?


I was wondering who would be using a 2.4 kernel when Slackware 11-final is released, and what your reasons would be for chosing a 2.4 instead of a 2.6.

Will you be using a provided kernel or compile your own? Vanilla or patched?

If you have multiple machines, will they all 2.4 or all 2.6, or will your usage be split? What would your split ratio be? What would be the reason for running the machine that way?

I plan to use the generic vanilla 2.6. Probably 2.6.16, but possibly 2.6.17 or even 2.6.18, but in the end I had a feeling that no one will be using 2.4 and wanted to start a discussion on it.

tnx
 
Old 09-25-2006, 01:40 PM   #2
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I'll use 2.6, huge26.s to be specific. No real reason to switch from 2.4 (because I've had no problems whatsoever with 2.4), but a minor thing is that I want to try out the driver for wireless cards with Broadcom 43xx chipsets.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 01:47 PM   #3
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Likely, I would install 11.0 with huge26.s, then recompile kernel with my current .config file to 2.6.18
 
Old 09-25-2006, 02:20 PM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slim Backwater
I was wondering who would be using a 2.4 kernel when Slackware 11-final is released, and what your reasons would be for chosing a 2.4 instead of a 2.6.

Will you be using a provided kernel or compile your own? Vanilla or patched?

If you have multiple machines, will they all 2.4 or all 2.6, or will your usage be split? What would your split ratio be? What would be the reason for running the machine that way?

I plan to use the generic vanilla 2.6. Probably 2.6.16, but possibly 2.6.17 or even 2.6.18, but in the end I had a feeling that no one will be using 2.4 and wanted to start a discussion on it.

tnx
Hi,

The default is 2.4.33 for the RC5. You can look at the changelogs or wordpress. The wordpress site allows an easy search.

As for my choice, the stable 2.4.33 will be used for the servers, obvious choice. The main server will have the complete cd/dvd set.

The 2.6.18 from;
Code:
testing/packages/linux-2.6.18/kernel-generic-2.6.18-i486-1.tgz:
  Added Linux 2.6.18 generic kernel.
testing/packages/linux-2.6.18/kernel-headers-2.6.18-i386-1.tgz:
  Added Linux 2.6.18 kernel headers.
testing/packages/linux-2.6.18/kernel-modules-2.6.18-i486-1.tgz
  Added Linux 2.6.18 kernel modules.
testing/packages/linux-2.6.18/kernel-source-2.6.18-noarch-1.tgz
  Added Linux 2.6.18 kernel source.
will be used for special systems or customized installations.

I will keep a desktop with the 2.4.33 available but also a customized 2.6.18.

My teststation will have it all.

Of course the workbench station will also have 2.4.33 along with 2.6.18 and some other customized kernels. I have Slackware -current on this machine.

My laptop/console will remain with Slackware 10.2 with 2.4 and 2.6. A Slackware 10.2 OS 2.4 and 2.6 kernel will remain on all of the stations.

Note: if you plan your installations properly then enhancements should not be a problem. Meaning that you should allocate the space to optimize a proper layout that will allow some growth.

BTW, hard disk are cheap! So, multiple drives on stations is not a problem with the cost per GB being so small.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 02:50 PM   #5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raska
Likely, I would install 11.0 with huge26.s, then recompile kernel with my current .config file to 2.6.18
Count me in for that too. I'll keep the stock "huge26.s" around as my backup stable kernel and keep compiling newer vanilla kernels for everyday use. For my samba server, though, I'll probably stick with the stock "huge26.s" for convenience. I'm not running any hardcore servers or anything so there's absolutely no need for 2.4.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 02:50 PM   #6
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. . . but in the end I had a feeling that no one will be using 2.4 and wanted to start a discussion on it.
I will be using 2.4. I am unfamiliar with 2.6, udev, and the other minor nuances that distinguish the two kernels. I have not had time to explore 2.6---just too many other items on my to-do list. I use old hardware and 2.4 is rock solid for me. I like stability and familiarity and when Slackware 11 is official, I want as little interference in my updating as possible.

With respect to the 2.4 kernel, I recompile to remove some modules I never use as well as to solve some nuisance messages at boot, but otherwise I don't fiddle a lot with recompiling.

With that said, 2.6 is supposed to be faster than 2.4. That claim, if true, is enticing to me with my older hardware. At my web site, and here in these forums, I have observed several times that as fast as Slackware is, and as much as KDE continues to improve, my Slackware 10.2/KDE 3.4.3 is not as fast as my old reliable NT4 Workstation. The difference is noticeable, although I am not (yet) obsessed by the difference. With the release of Slackware 11 I expect a tiny speed improvement with KDE 3.5.4. After I update to Slackware 11/KDE 3.5.4 and tweak to my heart's content, I then will decide if experimenting with 2.6 is in my immediate future. But generally, the 2.6 kernel is low on my priority list.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 03:04 PM   #7
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I'll install with huge26 and then build a vanilla 2.6.18 with the ck patch. huge26 will stay as the backup kernel.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 03:44 PM   #8
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I also will instll huge26 then patch to 2.6.18. My reason for 2.6 is my laptop. I too want the driver for wireless cards with Broadcom 43xx chipsets, ACPI improvement, and the ability for my amd64 turion to change speeds for more effective power management.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 04:21 PM   #9
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2.4

I'm strictly using Slack for servers, so stability/security is important to me, especially as I'm no expert in the field. I'm staying with what Pat chooses for me.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 04:27 PM   #10
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depends on your hardware. I mean, an interesting question to ask is .. what will be usable with 11.0? SO if 2.4 is usable, there will be people who'll use it. 2.2 and 2.0 that's a different story. I think trickykid runs 2.2 on one of his slacks (used to anyway). Who's to say 2.0 isn't possible?

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Old 09-25-2006, 04:46 PM   #11
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Ahh, udev.. I'd forgotten about that. It sounds like something I'd like to try, so there's another reason for me wanting to use 2.6.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 04:54 PM   #12
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2.6.15 unless nvidia fix their buggy drivers that mess up textures :/
 
Old 09-25-2006, 05:06 PM   #13
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Well, for my own personal machine, it's going to be 2.6 - if for no other reason than 2.6 is stable for me, works and I don't mind upgrading to each stable release as and when it arrives. Plus, I've got used to things that compile against 2.6 that I need (e.g. wireless drivers etc.) and it's just easier to stick with what they need.

However, if I do what I usually do and supply my brother with a router/print server/file server/firewall/etc machine, then I will be probably using 2.4.

2.6's udev and hotplug tend to cause me problems in that case because when something breaks, my brother knows enough to slap a new card into the machine, or move the drive to a different machine, but isn't caught-up on the workings of Linux (yet even he understands that it just HAS to be Linux for those sorts of black-box tasks), so it can't play magic with scripts etc. that might interfere with those that are actually running the other parts of his machine. It's amazing how useful an OS bouyed up by primitive shell scripts can be!

But better it breaks because it can't find the network card than it automatically assigns eth1 and eth0 the wrong way round, or the backup scripts start throwing their backups onto the wrong drives. That could mess his data up or potential expose his network. At least without all the shell-script, hardware-detection magic, he will know something is wrong and I'll be called to fix it rather than "let's just use it like it is".

Plus, that machine will never be constantly or automatically updated for the kernel side (although automation of software updates tends to work pretty well) so having an 2.4 kernel won't matter anyway, because it's likely to not be the very latest stable kernel. It's also older hardware and therefore tends to be a little better supported under the older kernels (stuff like ISA networks cards etc. still linger at both our houses - why throw away something that works?)

Having said that, there is no big reason that would stop me using 2.6 on his machine either, but there's also no reason to HAVE to and since 2.4 is still maintained and still has stable updates and security fixes and is also the default on the Slackware install disks, that's what'll get used when I set up his machine because I'll be spending most of "installation time" testing my scripts, making sure the upgrade is clean etc. rather than hunting down more extra packages just to get a different version number on the kernel.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 06:54 PM   #14
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before i just wipe Slack-10.2 off i will install Slack-11.0 in an extra disk partition with the stock 2.6.xx kernel and see how it goes for a few days, if i dont like the 2.6.xx kernel i will re-install Slack-11 with the stock 2.4.xx kernel and try it again for a few days, and what ever one i like best will eventually replace my current install of Slack-10.2 which i heavily customized to my personal taste...

i have confidence in Pat's work, so i doubt there will be a problem...

P.S. installing with Pat's build of 2.6.xx and running make oldconfig with the latest 2.6.xx stable is a good possibility...

Last edited by Okie; 09-25-2006 at 06:58 PM.
 
Old 09-25-2006, 07:03 PM   #15
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Right now I'm running current and my compiled 2.6.18. When 11.0 comes out I'll keep running that and upgrade whenever I feel like it.
 
  


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