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If Slackware512 dropped tomorrow and a PC existed for it, and I had it, and all it had were GNU only apps, Xorg, Fluxbox, a few basics for media, productivity, and web, and maybe some fun stuff, I'd use it, even if it were a bit limited, thank Patrick, and then see what I could do to help if at all possible to expand it.
Complaining about it would be pointless, and only show my weakness.
If Slackware512 dropped tomorrow and a PC existed for it, and I had it, and all it had were GNU only apps, Xorg, Fluxbox, a few basics for media, productivity, and web, and maybe some fun stuff, I'd use it, even if it were a bit limited, thank Patrick, and then see what I could do to help if at all possible to expand it.
Complaining about it would be pointless, and only show my weakness.
If Slackware512 dropped tomorrow and a PC existed for it, and I had it, and all it had were GNU only apps, Xorg, Fluxbox, a few basics for media, productivity, and web, and maybe some fun stuff, I'd use it, even if it were a bit limited, thank Patrick, and then see what I could do to help if at all possible to expand it.
Complaining about it would be pointless, and only show my weakness.
If Slackware512 dropped tomorrow and my computer can run it, and I had it, and all it had is X.org, FVWM, Firefox and MPlayer, I will give it a take for sure, at Home, especially if behave better with the video-codec H2666 who compress the 3 hours long movies like Avatar 7 or Star Wars Episode XIII in 4K resolution somewhere under 100MB.
But, yet, I will never try to dream to propose it to drive workstations at Work, if this is all that it can do...
Last edited by Darth Vader; 04-18-2016 at 12:04 PM.
@Darth Vader
Glad to see you again. But, I couldn't understand what are you complaining about while you have enough skills to build stuff for your own needs. If others need a 32 bit Current iso for their old hardware they can ask respectfully via Eric's blog or this forum.
Look as how I see the things: IF I say tomorrow that the KDE6 sucks, nobody will care, especially the KDE developers.
BUT, if Eric insult the KDE developers in a small blog post, they will freak out. WHY?
Because they, as everyone, see Eric as a major Slackware contributor, maybe right hand of P.V. That's WHY they feel obliged to respond and give "reasons". You see the light?
It's almost as if the opinions of those who contribute heavily are listened to and taken seriously, while the opinions of those who merely piss in the punch bowl are ignored. Who'd have thought?
If someone is interested or curious, I managed to find a old archive of Darkstar's Disk Manager, that graphical partitioner, probably downloaded from kde-apps.org, when it was still available, years ago.
I will share it for several hours, bellow is its link.
I'm not a programmer, but it looks being written in C++ and using the Qt library or KDE.
But what was a really huge surprise for me, looking into files more from curiosity, is that it contains some (utility?) program called "xorgprobe" where some files contains GPL licensed code by Caldera Systems.
You don't know who is Caldera Systems? Probably you don't missed it under its actual name, The SCO. Group and its famous CEO: Darl McBride.
Somehow those guys from Darkstar used some code made by Caldera Systems around 2000. Or it was written by them for that company? Who know?
But I guess now I understand why/how that entire distribution both as binaries and source code, vanished the world, even from Way Back Machine and why this guy say always that he consider only to give some source code personally, yet not willing to publish something.
I do. They made a Linux distribution called Caldera Linux. If it's from 2000, then it's from Caldera Linux and has nothing to do with SCO turning evil, which happened much later.
If the code is GPL, then it is illegal for them to stop people from sharing it. Share away. There's nothing to worry about.
But what was a really huge surprise for me, looking into files more from curiosity, is that it contains some (utility?) program called "xorgprobe" where some files contains GPL licensed code by Caldera Systems.
You don't know who is Caldera Systems? Probably you don't missed it under its actual name, The SCO. Group and its famous CEO: Darl McBride.
Somehow those guys from Darkstar used some code made by Caldera Systems around 2000. Or it was written by them for that company? Who know?
But I guess now I understand why/how that entire distribution both as binaries and source code, vanished the world, even from Way Back Machine and why this guy say always that he consider only to give some source code personally, yet not willing to publish something.
There's code copyrighted to Caldera in the Linux kernel. I wonder what that means? Am I in cahoots with Caldera, or is Linus?
The nice thing about GPLed code is that you really don't need to worry about who wrote it, as long as you find it useful. They'll be unable to pull the rug out from under you.
I do. They made a Linux distribution called Caldera Linux. If it's from 2000, then it's from Caldera Linux and has nothing to do with SCO turning evil, which happened much later.
That was my first Linux distro: Caldera OpenLinux 2.3. I ran that in 2002. I ran Caldera on a P166 with 32 MB RAM if I remember correctly. Started Slacking in 2004 with 10.0.
LuckyCyborg, I downloaded your file and yeah, I can confirm that the tarball contains our Disk Manager. Not in the latest version, if I remember right last one in this style was 0.9.30.
It is written in C/C++ with Qt3, like the entire ALICE suite, and do not worry about sharing it, those parts licensed to Caldera are under GPL from Caldera OpenLinux and they are into X.org auto-configuration, a subsystem made on an Age when a X11 config file was a critical element of failure. Also, looking into code, you'll notice that we used the support of OpenSuSE's HWInfo.
And thanks very much for this nice surprise, looking that someone still cared enough to keep a small piece of my work and that happening right after me turning 48...
PS. Nope, SCO do not hunted down our distribution. Just happened to its end, like happened with hundred others. Including Caldera Linux.
Last edited by Darth Vader; 04-18-2016 at 06:52 PM.
That was my first Linux distro: Caldera OpenLinux 2.3. I ran that in 2002. I ran Caldera on a P166 with 32 MB RAM if I remember correctly. Started Slacking in 2004 with 10.0.
Same here. Caldera 2.2 on a Celery 700MHz w/128 MB RAM in 2000.
Did a quick test on my test-vm; all looks sane from my PoV; Actually a 'just like expected'.
Also took the while to compile a list of packages to blacklist for kde5 (on current); I think this list is rather complete; but might contain (a very little bit of) overkill; For those interested (as I could not easily find the blacklist list :-))
Attention! This is not an online sharing! It is P2P sharing. If you want the file, download it right now and leave the page open to give it to others too.
Last edited by LuckyCyborg; 04-19-2016 at 03:30 PM.
@Darth Vader
Glad to see you again. But, I couldn't understand what are you complaining about while you have enough skills to build stuff for your own needs. If others need a 32 bit Current iso for their old hardware they can ask respectfully via Eric's blog or this forum.
You did see;
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Bob
I wonder why I am being held accountable by you for what I do in my free time? Why do you think you can force me to do something for you?
It's all fairly simple and you could have answered it yourself if you had read my blog posts on the subject (I assume that your company does not forbid you to read those).
During the development of my liveslak scripts I only release 32-bit OS versions. Creating 32bit ISO images is:
time-consuming (time I rather spend on compiling packages)
uses lots and lots of server disk space (which I do not have)
not essential for testing the liveslak scripts
Note that the liveslak scripts will just as easily create a 32bit Slackware Live Edition; this has been tested by several people including myself.
All you need to do is add "-a i486" to the "make_slackware_live.sh" commandline.
Do not start moaning about that "i486" - you can use "i586" if you like that better, it makes no difference for the Slackware Live ISO.
On the official release date of Slackware 14.2 I will make available a version 1.0 of my liveslak scripts, and create 64bit as well as 32bit versions of the Slackware 14.2 Live Edition (full Slackware).
The other variants (XFCE, MATE, PLASMA5) will probably only be available as 64bit ISO simply because I lack disk space and time.
Eric is very thorough with his scripts and appreciates feedback. Even from negative persons like Darth Vader.
Some people feel/think they deserve service and not appreciate what is freely given by PV, Eric & the rest of the Slackware team.
I for one am very appreciative of the work done and do not take it for granted.
Sorry too that Eric must defend himself to people like Darth Vader. Precious time that is taken away for good from all the current works and future generations of some very powerful work performed as a community service.
A few relative quotes;
Quote:
“Theory is when you know all and nothing works. Practice is when all works and nobody knows why. In this case we have put together theory and practice: nothing works... and nobody knows why!” - Albert Einstein
Quote:
“The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.”- George Bernard Shaw
Quote:
“One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man.”- Elbert Hubbard
Eric, keep the good work coming and ignore negatives from people who envy your endeavors!
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