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Old 09-23-2009, 10:42 PM   #46
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This is a very useful thread and motivated me to try xfce. I like kde4 but at times, the harddrive just starts churning and I don't know what its doing. I'm still basically running 12.2 as it works well and is very stable. I have 13.0 on another partition with kde4. And I'm trying 64-current now without any packages from .../kde.

I've installed via slackbuilds xcdroast, epdfview, openoffice. Haven't tried xcdroast yet but the others seem to work OK.

I only spent a few minutes on the thunar plugin for xarchiver but it didn't immediately work with txz.

What I liked about dolphin was the split screen option. MC has that by default. When MC runs in terminal the function keys don't work (well they work for the terminal window but not for MC in the terminal). Sure, you can just open two thunar windows but dolphin is a little more convenient.
 
Old 09-24-2009, 02:58 AM   #47
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I only spent a few minutes on the thunar plugin for xarchiver but it didn't immediately work with txz.
If you built this from slackbuilds.org you have to apply a command line switch, which will apply an experimental patch that gives you the functionality you need.

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Old 09-24-2009, 10:42 AM   #48
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When MC runs in terminal the function keys don't work (well they work for the terminal window but not for MC in the terminal). Sure, you can just open two thunar windows but dolphin is a little more convenient.
Terminal -> edit -> preferences -> shortcuts -> disable menu shortcut keys.

Only thing that's been stopping me from kde-xfce switch was a lack of civilized vnc client. Fortunately, kde guys completely screwed krdc in kde4, so I had to install ultravnc through wine - problem solved itself.
Honestly, only useful feature in kde4 is folder view plasmoid, that's all. Oh, and I miss Krusader, too, but can live with that.
 
Old 09-24-2009, 10:44 AM   #49
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Heh. It does. In order to get most GTK+ apps like Grip to work, I normally install Dropline GNOME; even though I never use the actual desktop environment itself on Slackware, I find that it makes it a heck of a lot easier to get a ton of other really good apps working if some version of GNOME is there, and Dropline is an easy way to get that set up on Slackware.

Granted, it also takes up a huge amount of hard drive space (particularly for an environment I don't even use), but if space isn't a problem for you, the benefits of having it are pretty easily seen by the ease of getting apps like Grip to work without having to go through tons of library dependency problems.
No idea if it works, but it does build at least: http://rlworkman.net/grip3.tar.gz

That's in SBo style with all the deps (in order) noted in the README.
 
Old 09-25-2009, 10:00 PM   #50
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If you built this from slackbuilds.org you have to apply a command line switch, which will apply an experimental patch that gives you the functionality you need.

samac
Yes, I see. The README in the .gz file with the slackbuild script tells you how to run it. I tried it and it works.

Thank you rworkman for script and samac for pointing out.
 
Old 09-26-2009, 01:24 AM   #51
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Angry What happened to being Gnome & KDE free?

Just thought I would check back on this thread, and see if new apps. are being listed that fit the bill. "The bill" meaning apps this will run on a *nix computer platform without requiring either Gnome nor KDE4 being installed. GTK+ & QT is just fine. But that's where I draw the line. This thread's main purpose was to help define and perhaps finish XFCE as a full-on replacement for the big bloated KDE & Gnome Desktop environments. I even welcome apps that run well with the lesser Window Managers.

I did not start this thread to start a flame war for all the Gnome & KDE fans out there. If you like those desktop environments, then by all means enjoy them. Just don't ram them down my throat by saying that to have a full *nix platform I have to have either Gnome or KDE. XFCE is supposed to be a complete Desktop Environment too. When I say "complete", I mean it. I do not mean a desktop environment on crutches.

I DO have 3 older computers. They DO have small 20GB hard drives in them. They cannot do the heavy lifting required by the new bloated Desktop Environments. So I and perhaps many others will need to know this information. Given the state of this economy, I believe that many people will be in this same boat. Also, these people like me will be lucky to have the computer and the internet connection that they have. They do not need people telling them to fork out $$ they don't have, or telling them to waste hard drive space getting big bloated software.

So, let's keep the comments limited to applications that do NOT require either Gnome nor KDE (whether there is a Slackbuild for it or not). Thank you.
 
Old 09-26-2009, 04:47 AM   #52
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Just thought I would check back on this thread, and see if new apps.
I edited my other choices for KDE replacements to include xfburn for k3b replacements. I tried it a couple weeks ago and it's really coming along and also a very capable cd/dvd burner front end. I think xcdroast is still a more full featured front end but xfburn wins hands down for it's sleek native xfce look and simple interface. Within another year or two, as xfburn's back end (libburnia) becomes more mature and full featured, xfburn will be every bit as good as k3b.

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Old 09-27-2009, 04:33 PM   #53
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Just thought I would check back on this thread, and see if new apps. are being listed that fit the bill. "The bill" meaning apps this will run on a *nix computer platform without requiring either Gnome nor KDE4 being installed. GTK+ & QT is just fine. But that's where I draw the line.
You've never defined where that line is. When is an app too Gnome/KDE for you? At what point are you running a so called "bloated desktop environment" and at what point are you just running a QT/GTK app? Others have offered definitions, but you have not. As one poster pointed out, they often install Dropline to get Gnome apps but he does not run Gnome. What's wrong with that?

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I did not start this thread to start a flame war for all the Gnome & KDE fans out there. If you like those desktop environments, then by all means enjoy them. Just don't ram them down my throat by saying that to have a full *nix platform I have to have either Gnome or KDE. XFCE is supposed to be a complete Desktop Environment too. When I say "complete", I mean it. I do not mean a desktop environment on crutches.
I don't see a flame war anywhere. Does anyone else? People are discussing, educating, and even debating, but a flame war? If someone comes to me and says "I want a Ford Mustang because it's the fastest car." I might say, "But a Ford Mustang is not the fastest car." That's pretty different than flaming them.

Every time someone's offered a suggestion that you don't like in this thread, you've told them they should be reading your posts better and that they are wrong. If anyone's flaming, it's you.
 
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:42 PM   #54
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Well, to be fair, when I install Dropline GNOME so that I can easily install/run GTK based apps, it is a pretty major drive space commitment... easily 4 gigs the last time I did it.

So if you can spare the space on your root partition, it's worth it to avoid the headaches of GTK dependency hell to run some apps. But if not, it's obviously not a solution.
 
Old 09-28-2009, 01:52 PM   #55
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Hi all,

My approach is to install the libraries I need to run the software I want. For me, personally, installing Dropline Gnome to get the required GTK libs is a bit of overkill. Not that there's anything wrong with overkill when it's possible.

Here's the basic problem with the OP's premise: he doesn't want "KDE" or "Gnome," just pure XFCE.

Well, getting rid of KDE should be pretty easy in Slackware, one simply just doesn't install it.

However, the line between Gnome and XFCE is blurry at best. While KDE is based on the QT toolkit, both Gnome and XFCE are based on the GTK toolkit. I haven't checked, but I suspect that XFCE and Gnome share a number of libraries making it very difficult to have a "pure XFCE without Gnome."

For my part, I find that libraries don't take up a lot of room (at least compared to the applications that use them), so I install what I need. I've also found that there's no problem running applications that require QT along side apps that require GTK.

By the way, Robby Workman has some really good XFCE packages. I'm toying with the idea of making XFCE my default and enhancing it with Robby's extra packages.

Regards,

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Old 09-30-2009, 08:29 PM   #56
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Thunar is being ported to GIO/GVfs?
 
Old 10-22-2009, 03:53 AM   #57
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wvdial

http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/wvdial/

with x-wvdial (no slackbuild that I can find)

Mynetmonitor - haven't used it for sometime and looks old, but how much have modems changed?

gnome-ppp
I'm trying to slowly stop using KDE applications and would like to get wvdial to work, but it either connects and does nothing or connects and immediately hangs up.
I haven't had to write or edit a ppp-whatever script since I first started using Slackware 14 years ago. May actually have copies of those files somewhere in an old back up.
Regardless, I can't get it to work properly.
BTW, if it does connect how do I disconnect? The old "ppp-on" or "ppp-off"?

There is gt frontend for wvdialer, but apparently there isn't a slackbuild or package yet available.

Has anyone seen a copy or slackbuild of Chestnut Dialer for Slackware64?

Thanks.
 
Old 10-22-2009, 08:54 AM   #58
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I sometimes still use dial-up when in a remote location with my notebook and simply use killall pppd from the command-line.
I also connect from the command-line though, without any GUI-tool.

The problem of disconnecting might be the authentication.
Take a look in /var/log/messages, pppd should log the connection there.
 
Old 10-22-2009, 09:11 AM   #59
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Thunar is being ported to GIO/GVfs?
Yes, you can see whats planned for the 4.8 release here: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule.
 
Old 10-22-2009, 12:33 PM   #60
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Ok, what about xfce photo management app? Something similar to digikam - connect camera, massconvert from raw to jpeg, maybe some basic editing?
 
  


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