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Old 03-12-2017, 06:01 AM   #16
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I would show both links to those that do make the rules there, since the other search engines will probably follow Google soon and start penalizing such blocked sites.

Depending on the country in which the site is based, failing to provide a working site may be in violation of accessibility laws.

Save both work and increase your market by n percent by using HTML and CSS instead of JS.

Edit: Here are two positive examples of using CSS without requiring JS:
You have two solutions here:

1. Using Firefox, open Edit > Preferences and uncheck the "Only display vegan gluten-free websites" box.

2. Use Links.

Cheers,

Niki
 
Old 03-12-2017, 06:05 AM   #17
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You did solicit feedback by posting here, but hey, I'll go with #3 instead.

3. Ignore broken sites, just like the search engines do
 
Old 03-12-2017, 06:32 AM   #18
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You did solicit feedback by posting here, but hey, I'll go with #3 instead.

3. Ignore broken sites, just like the search engines do
Here's the website displayed by two different browsers on a Slackware64 14.1 system.

1. Mozilla Firefox 45.8.0 ESR (default configuration).

2. Links.

I suggest you just use the standard Firefox configuration. Or any other browser on any other system, for the matter. I did ask for feedback on the site's content indeed. If you want to discuss the pros and cons of mobile-friendly web design, I don't think this is the appropriate place to do this. Thank you.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:32 AM   #19
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I suggest you ...
Thank you for misunderstanding the whole point of Jahn's post: http://web.archive.org/web/199910042....com/opti.html

Broken is not "mobile-friendly". But I accept that you have dug in.
 
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Old 03-13-2017, 11:43 AM   #20
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The new one just has slowly rotating curved lines in the middle of the browser window.
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. My experience on the site was the same as yours until I temporarily turned on javascript for the site, then the site worked for me.
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Save both work and increase your market by n percent by using HTML and CSS instead of JS.

Edit: Here are two positive examples of using CSS without requiring JS:
Well neither of you are exactly correct. The site displays an overlay hiding content, yes, that won't go away if js is disabled. But, if you are using NoScript, then press and hold the left mouse button on the center graphic and press delete, and then the same on the general overlay. Then you can use the site just fine without js. js is not required for this site. The overlay may be from css or standard html, I don't know this since I don't make websites.

"Customized" maybe my seamonkey (not heavily), but you gotta know how to use your browser when you see sites like this...

I generally browse on mobile devices without js btw. It speeds up sites immensely. I don't know how to kill overlays in this case (chrome on mobile). I would just get rid of that "loading" thing, and it is a fine site after that.
 
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:40 PM   #21
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I also have JS disabled and the new site does not work for me.
You keep saying JS is not needed, yet the site does not work without it...

Maybe it would be better to have a fallback for such cases?
Even a simple page just saying "hey, turn on JS or this site will not work" is better that rotating lines thing.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 05:42 PM   #22
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I also have JS disabled and the new site does not work for me. You keep saying JS is not needed, yet the site does not work without it... Maybe it would be better to have a fallback for such cases?
Even a simple page just saying "hey, turn on JS or this site will not work" is better that rotating lines thing.
I agree. I can't access the site with javascript disabled in Firefox. Maybe it's specific to firefox, but many people use that and some with javascript disabled. Other than that it's beautiful, congrats

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Old 03-13-2017, 06:40 PM   #23
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I agree. I can't access the site with javascript disabled in Firefox.
- Hi guys. Here's 1.558 extra packages for Slackware. And dozens of pages of documentation. Have fun.

- Thanks. But we'd rather spend this whole thread explaining how we disabled JavaScript in our browsers.

- [...]
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:14 PM   #24
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To be honest if it was anyone else likely most people would not even bother to tell you that you decided to adopt current popular yet bad web design practices and moved on instead...
 
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:15 PM   #25
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- Hi guys. Here's 1.558 extra packages for Slackware. And dozens of pages of documentation. Have fun
The site looks well, Niki, although I prefer the old one. You've obviously put a lot of work into it, but you should listen respectfully to criticism. I agree with TurboCapitalist that a site in 2017 should degrade gracefully. Many people disable javascript these days.

Another thing: too often I have gone looking for your guides (setting up Slackware on online.net, for example) and found them missing, or at a new address.

When I can find them, the guides are useful. The website looks good; the content is worthwhile. Don't get too upset when somebody prods you to make changes that can only be beneficial. I had a customer about 12 years ago who had severely limited mobility and helping her with a computer opened my eyes to the brain-dead and stupid interfaces supposedly intelligent programmers still design in the 21st century. Don't be like those people. Accessibility matters.

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Old 03-14-2017, 03:30 AM   #26
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Another thing: too often I have gone looking for your guides (setting up Slackware on online.net, for example) and found them missing, or at a new address.
Well, the project and the related documentation didn't jump fully-grown and armed out of Athena's head on day one.

Early versions of MLED and my documentation were part of my company's website (http://www.microlinux.fr). As the project grew, I decided to publish these pages under their own domain (https://www.microlinux.eu) which eventually got split for the translation (https://fr.microlinux.eu). The general technical documentation is gathered on my company's dedicated blog (http://blog.microlinux.fr). Everything Slackware-related has a special page on this blog (http://blog.microlinux.fr/slackware/).

These URLs will not move in a foreseeable future.

Cheers,

Niki
 
Old 03-14-2017, 04:55 AM   #27
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- Hi guys. Here's 1.558 extra packages for Slackware. And dozens of pages of documentation. Have fun.

- Thanks. But we'd rather spend this whole thread explaining how we disabled JavaScript in our browsers.

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I have a lot of respect for you and your wonderful repository of packages, which I use.

That being said... this thread was created to announce a new website, not the 1558 extra packages for slackware that already existed, with the intent of asking feedback about it.

We did that, and you got upset about the criticism regarding a flaw in the fallback mechanism for browsers with no javascript active...

Like orbea said: if it was someone else most would probably not even bother to help.
Yes, we are trying to help. I'm sorry you don't see it that way.
 
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:40 PM   #28
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But, if you are using NoScript, then press and hold the left mouse button on the center graphic and press delete, and then the same on the general overlay. Then you can use the site just fine without js. js is not required for this site.
Thanks for this information. I use NoScript and it worked just as you described. I wasn't aware NoScript could delete individual page components like this.

In the future I'll be trying this technique on stubborn web pages before I relent and temporarily turn on javascript for a domain or choose to skip the page.
 
  


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