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Old 12-10-2014, 04:12 PM   #1
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How best to go from Fedora 20 to fedora 21 on SSD?


Hello All,
Looking for some good advice on the move to Fedora 21.
Up until Fedora 19 I had been running two spinning disks, and alternating between the two at each upgrade, doing a clean install, using a separate Home partition.
I now have Fedora 20 on an SSD, and wonder if a clean install is going to impinge on the wear levelling count, as it normally involves repartitioning. I suspect that repartitioning does affect the wear levelling count, but not really sure.
The alternate approach is to use Fedup, but the advice has generally been to do a clean install.
Is Fedup reliable enough to go this route?
Any Good advice gratefully received.

Cheers,
Terry
 
Old 12-10-2014, 07:57 PM   #2
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In a very very small way there will be a loss of data life.

Personally I use clean installs.

Unless you have the worst ssd on the planet it won't matter which you do.
 
Old 12-10-2014, 10:46 PM   #3
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In a very very small way there will be a loss of data life.
Personally I use clean installs.
Unless you have the worst ssd on the planet it won't matter which you do.
When I installed Fedora 20 on the SSD I was also using a new motherboard, and ended up having a couple attempts at it as a result of the secure boot requirements.
That process added about 18 to the wear levelling count, out of a reported max of 99, according to the SMART data report on the disc, hence I am somewhat wary. I certainly wouldn't want to add that sort of number again.
I would like to hear a bit more about the reliability of the current Fedup before I decide how to tackle this.

I think I have what is supposed to be one of the better SSDs, a Samsung 840 Pro.

Thanks for your advice.

Cheers,
Terry
 
Old 12-14-2014, 11:43 AM   #4
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Why wouldn't you just use fedup and do an in-place upgrade? Works like a charm.

EDIT:

I see you asking about fedup in your second post.

This is my third concurrent fedup (18 --> 19, 19 --> 20, and 20 --> 21). Many people on my team have also utilized fedup during the same period of time, with the same 100% success rate that I have had.

With this 20 --> 21 upgrade, there were a few packages that I had to remove, and a repo I needed to disable before completing the upgrade. Otherwise, the upgrade was smooth as silk. It downloaded, and installed everything perfectly.

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Old 12-14-2014, 12:30 PM   #5
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"a Samsung 840 Pro." is highly rated. The warranty for it is pretty good as I recall. Some few hundred gig a day as I recall maybe.

All ssd's get slower with age. Their reporting scheme isn't that reliable.

They all fail but by the time they fail you want a new one anyway. Just run it like a regular disk unless you are running a massive database on it or hitting it with top web access from thousands of people.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 06:38 PM   #6
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Why wouldn't you just use fedup and do an in-place upgrade? Works like a charm.

EDIT:

I see you asking about fedup in your second post.

This is my third concurrent fedup (18 --> 19, 19 --> 20, and 20 --> 21). Many people on my team have also utilized fedup during the same period of time, with the same 100% success rate that I have had.

With this 20 --> 21 upgrade, there were a few packages that I had to remove, and a repo I needed to disable before completing the upgrade. Otherwise, the upgrade was smooth as silk. It downloaded, and installed everything perfectly.
Thanks for that report. I haven't seen many reports of Fedup usage to be confident in using it.
Your experience suggests there shouldn't be much to worry about.

Cheers,
Terry
 
Old 12-14-2014, 07:01 PM   #7
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Be prepared - see my sigline.
I've had fedup work once (first time), fail twice. After the last failure I went back to full installs. I keep a separate /home, so that makes things a little easier, but you still have to handle manual packages.

I too never worry about the life of SSDs - they'll probably outlast my usage of them.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 07:53 PM   #8
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As I said, the only failures seen this time around were 'soft' failures, and all of the concerned third - party repos and packages that needed to be Removed before the upgrade, and installed right afterwards.

That isn't severe enough to cause me any concerns, honestly.
 
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In the interests of completeness, I just did a fedup of an (obviously) old P4 system I don't care at all about. Took a while, but seems to have completed successfully.
Couple of complaints about missing gpg keys for rpmfusion - which aborts the whole shooting match - but as mentioned above, these are "soft" errors.

Firefox even spat the "well, this is embarrassing" message on restart. All good so far.
Er, not a SSD system BTW ...
 
Old 12-31-2014, 08:49 AM   #10
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I've been doing Fedup since it was around. Usually the only problem I have is with using proprietary Nvidia drivers. Usually takes an extra round of yum to fix things after the upgrade.
 
  


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