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Old 10-08-2012, 01:14 AM   #91
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Sorry, no offense, but you don't understand enough of the basics of this topic for a productive discussion.
 
Old 10-08-2012, 01:56 AM   #92
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Oh well I find yourself to be lost as well even though you seem so technical about it. It's actually just simple but you try to complicate or deviate it. It's not about the defaults or necessity. It's just a question about the efficiency or speed (or performance if you want to call it another way) and nothing more than that. Well I don't mind really.

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Old 10-08-2012, 01:29 PM   #93
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konsolebox, i was just too lazy to explain you what jtsn tried to explain to you. And now I don't regret to be honest. You are very aggressive and you don't even read what other writes, so just stay with your mind and live happy but don't blame us please.
 
Old 10-08-2012, 08:15 PM   #94
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Problem is you guys assume that someone knows nothing based from a simple reply. It's not my problem that you estimate people quickly. I know what you guys meant even before I made my first post. Such topics about necessities, availability, stability, etc. have been around way too long already. But what does that have to do with actual performance of Slackware and that only?

Btw, I think it is jtsn that can't get the meaning of my post in #90. All because I don't elaborate doesn't mean I know nothing. I just give allowance and it's not worth much the effort.

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Old 10-08-2012, 08:28 PM   #95
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I think it's time to say this topic is going nowhere and needs to just be locked. The facts are in and as it stands Slackware simply works out of the box without too many special cflags to rev it's engine that much faster than necessary. Everyone who has used Slackware all feel the same way about benchmarks against other big brand distributions, and we know they are pointless in real-life situations where a benchmark isn't going to show if A is faster than B. You can't type, web surf, host files, or play games that much faster on system A any better than system B in real-time and real life situations.

So without any further useful input I'm going to ask for a lock on this as clearly the answers are in and the points have been made.
 
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:28 PM   #96
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konsolebox, i was just too lazy to explain you what jtsn tried to explain to you. And now I don't regret to be honest. You are very aggressive and you don't even read what other writes, so just stay with your mind and live happy but don't blame us please.
I read what people write. And my first post was a general observation and you see it more as an added idea or direct reply to the topic so it doesn't really make conflict with previous posts. My first post wasn't aggressive. It was just frank and honest; scientific-like if you know what I mean. It's not meant to attack the principles of users, but it would depend on the reader.

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Old 10-08-2012, 11:06 PM   #97
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http://www.funroll-loops.info/[/url] ;-)
The name of that website already made me crack up.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 06:53 AM   #98
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I think it's time to say this topic is going nowhere and needs to just be locked.
Since none of you here can see if additional input will be forthcoming, since this topic so far lacks the derailment that characterized previous "discussions", since it has been discussed in a more amiable way than ever before and since the atmosphere is still good I see no reason to close it. Should you or anyone else wish to let this thread die in peace then please do not post any follow-ups.

Since you are right much has been said we all may expect from anyone posting any follow-ups below this post
0) they have read the whole thread,
1) their post addresses the main topic and
2) has something substantial to add.
 
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #99
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Everyone who has used Slackware all feel the same way about benchmarks against other big brand distributions, and we know they are pointless in real-life situations where a benchmark isn't going to show if A is faster than B. You can't type, web surf, host files, or play games that much faster on system A any better than system B in real-time and real life situations.
Sorry, mate, you do absolutely not speak for me with that statement, so it clearly does not apply to "everyone who has used Slackware". The reason I have not opened up that discussion so far is that I see no gain. Only that much:

Benchmarking when done properly is a valuable tool to identify problems or the influence of single parameters, or the absence of such. Even in the case of identical results, this is valuable information. To give you an example of a "real-life situation": I maintain a small web server, and I found out that it has 4 times more throughput under BFS than under CFS (these are cpu schedulers) - an unexpected result at the time. So this is of immediate practical relevance. You gain additional insight by measuring other web servers (apache, lighttpd) which allows you to make better predictions about other software products.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 07:38 PM   #100
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Surprised? Slackware is a very interesting distribution, most unix-like, blablabla. But it is maintained by a small team, perhaps by one person. Many are favor Slackware in words and compliments, but... perhaps the project needs money to grow. Huh?

In my opinion it would be very strange if Slackware had a better performance in benchmarks that large distributions for which there are large teams working hard on developing.

And Benckmark is Benckmark, please... Blablabla is not measurable.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 08:25 PM   #101
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Oh god. A comment from a user of a Debian clone AFTER A 2 YEAR silence on the thread.

And it's that's user's first post too. Nowhere to go but up.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 08:34 PM   #102
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Now, THIS is how you troll.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 08:37 PM   #103
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Surprised? Slackware is a very interesting distribution, most unix-like, blablabla. But it is maintained by a small team, perhaps by one person. Many are favor Slackware in words and compliments, but... perhaps the project needs money to grow. Huh?

In my opinion it would be very strange if Slackware had a better performance in benchmarks that large distributions for which there are large teams working hard on developing.

And Benckmark is Benckmark, please... Blablabla is not measurable.
I beg to differ. I see no relevance between team size and/or funding when the product (and all it's fundamental parts) are so similar. They used the default kernel which means the Huge kernel all 6MB! of it, with no speed tweaks, and Slackware, by design is not a minimalist distro. This is by no means an apples-to-apples comparison beyond DEFAULT installs. It measures nothing wider.

These teams of which you speak are not trying nor very much able to make one distro remarkably faster than another at benchmarks (especially at default)..... unless maybe there was a benchmark for dependency resolving, because that they are working on. They choose to meet a very wide demographic of "user-friendly convenience" , not speed. I could easily design and build a distro that was specifically for speed, even more specifically, to fit certain benchmarks, and it would make big numbers and be impressive as Hell...... and useless on anyone else's machine.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 09:02 PM   #104
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Having stability versus raw performance counts tremendously in all areas of not just testing, but long term reliability and general usage.

You can have the fastest -O3 compiled highly and heavily dangerously optimized software running at break-neck peel-the-skin-off-your-bones speeds, but if the distribution keeps crashing, can't work correctly, and lacks terribly in compatibility areas... it's rubbish.

I've been in the IT industry for 12 years and I know one thing about Benchmarks after my experiences with them... All of them are garbage because none of them can accurately measure general average usage on an individual level outside a generic, synthetic, and non-interactive bubble environment.

Sarcasm alert

Oh yippie skippy! I can run Unreal Tournament at 60 FPS on Red Hat but 45 FPS on Slackware, but Red Hat keeps crashing while on Slackware it ran flawlessly, but yay!!! It's faster on Red Hat and I recommend Red Hat.

End of Sarcasm

God I feel as if after even typing that I need to go wash my hands and barf.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 11:45 PM   #105
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And Benckmark is Benckmark, please... Blablabla is not measurable.
To answer in the spirit of your post, I'm sure Ubuntu users make love very fast.
 
  


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