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Old 05-02-2004, 12:58 AM   #1
timtak
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Exclamation ReadHat9 is dead, Long Live RedHat9! or How to get up2date and fresh RPMs post RHN9


Today, or was it yesterday, RedHat Linux 9 reached it's "end of life."
This has been predicted for some time.
http://www.redhat.com/software/whichproduct/
http://www.redhat.com/errata
And there exists a thread that discusses what to do after the predicted fateful day. That day is now upon us.

But we still have RedHat installed in our computers. So, henceforth what shall we do, for (1)errata/bug warnings, (2)patches, and (3)software?

1) Errata/Bug/Security Hole Warnings
If you decide to stay with RedHat9 then there is an independent alternative warning service, confusingly called the Fedoralegacy.
http://www.fedoralegacy.org/
Confusing because Fedora Legacy has a mailing list for RedHat 9.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listi...ra-legacy-list
which will inform users when errata (patches, bug fixes) have been released. From browsing the archives it seems that independent users are sending in patches e.g. this one for httpd. Compared to the RedHat 9 mailing list, this legacy-announce mailiing list seems to be at a very much lower level.
Are there any other sites or mailing lists that provide information about errata in RH9 after the "end of life?"

2) Patches
It is possible to download and install patches announced on the above list by hand. Two applications called "apt" and "yum" can be used instead of "up2date" to get patches, updates, and other rpms. Yum is a little simpler than apt, which has more features. It is even possible to set up a "cron job" so that packages are installed automatically. These sites seem relevant:
http://ayo.freshrpms.net/
http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/
But where can one download Yum or Apt and the documentation for RH9?

3) Software
Does anyone know where we are going to get new software (not errata) for our RH9 from now on? For example, I tried to download php from php.org but failed. I suceeded in installing php using a php rmp from the Red Hat Network. Now that the RHN has died, where is the place to get software ready compiled for Red Hat 9?

Alternatively, we can of course switch to the commercial version of RedHat. I think that the workstation version is the cheapest.
http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/
You can buy it here for $90 at Amazon.com.
Is this the cheapest supported version of Red Hat? Are there any companies that are selling their own version of Red Hat?

Aha. Progeny are offering support at $5 per month. (But this still works out at about the price of Microsoft.)

Or one may wish to go with the "Fedora Core"
http://fedora.redhat.com/
Discussion of the Fedora Project takes place on a different forum here. However, I am a little wary of the Fedora core as I explain on another thread.

There is also "White Box Linux" which is a de-logo-ed version of the Red Hat Enterprise edition produced by someone working for an American Library. Since even the enterprise edition is based and thus cannot get away from Open Source, if one removes the logo and all things proprietory to RedHat then one can use their software for free. Sounds too good to be true.
http://www.whiteboxlinux.org

There is another thread where we can give our opinions of Redhat's new policy should we feel inclined. I guess that opnion will hinge upon whether Fedora Core is seen as an adequate replacement for the Red Hat distribution.

On this thread I beg that kind users share their tips on how to keep their free RedHat's, particularly RH9, alive and well.


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Old 05-02-2004, 02:45 AM   #2
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there's nothing much u can do with the free rh9 now i suggest switching to fedora core 1 its RH based and it keeps on getting upates and patches all the time or u can buy the rh commercial version.
 
Old 05-02-2004, 03:28 AM   #3
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I would like to keep this list on ways of supporting RH9. There must be 10s of thousands of people using it.

There are problems with moving over to Fedora.

1) RH9 works well. RH9 is great. It works as well or better than my Windows and it has a server. I need nothing more for years (not speed, not anything). There must be loads of other people in the same situation. Hell, people are still using RH7x. RH9 must be good for years to come.
1.1) Why should it not continue to work well? Presumably because people will work out ways of hacking it? But, I have been using Windows 2000 for three years and as far as I am aware there have only been two really hackable errata and one of those was for IE. If security on Linux is tighter than Windows then I am hoping that there is only going to be one or two really serious patches a year.
2) I have apache, mysql, php, webmin running smoothly. I would need to reinstall webmin, mirror my website, backup my databases, possibly reinstall mysql and php. It took me a week. I am using my server for my work.
3) Fedora may be really cool but it is being used for development. It will keep advancing at a rate of two or three upgrades per year. The Fedora legacy project says that it will cease to support Fedora's for after 1-2-3 releases. That means, presumably, that Fedora 1 will be supported for about a year. If I were good with computers then this would be fine. But I cannot spend the time upgrading at that rate. The folks at White Box Linux, mentioned above call this "the upgrade treadmill." I agree that for me any upgraded is a treadmill. I want as few upgrades as possible.
4) Mine is a Japanese language system. I find that Japanese language support always lags behind the bleeding edge. That is another reason why I do not want to move to an advancing system.
5) RedHat Enterprise is about the same price as Windows and demands money per year at about the same rate. It was being fed up with paying a microsoft tax, for advances that I do not need, that made me want to move to Linux. I think that I would rather go back to Window$ than pay Red$hat.
6) There are people on the Fedora core forum that say that they have problems with Fedora. It stands to reason that there will be problems since it is a "bleeding edge" project, funded by a company that wants to sell its Enterprise edition.

Why do people want their operating system to advance so much? As soon as Windows stopped crashing I was happy with it. I only have two eyes and two hands. My eyes and hands do not get any faster. All I need is protection against the "rust" of people working out ways of cracking it.

Anyway, I do not mean to slag off Fedora, but merely to invite cooperation on how to keep RH9 up and running.

I have a friend that only just moved from RH6 that he installed years ago.

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Old 05-13-2004, 03:39 PM   #4
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Re: ReadHat9 is dead, Long Live RedHat9! or How to get up2date and fresh RPMs post R

Quote:
Originally posted by timtak
Compared to the RedHat 9 mailing list, this legacy-announce mailiing list seems to be at a very much lower level.
Are there any other sites or mailing lists that provide information about errata in RH9 after the "end of life?"
You get what you pay for. I'm afraid we're stuck with fedora legacy, which in truth is actually very kind for redhat to allow and promote. The people who are interested in keeping RH9 secure are presumably already contributing to fedora legacy or will charge money.

I also am no expert; however, I know someone who is. According to him, hackers are more active than you might think. The thing about good hackers is that you have to be good yourself to even know they were there. (unless they get busted and the feds come asking you why your box is so insecure) ... which is why the rest of us have to continuously update and make hard decisions.

Good luck, and I look forward to any updates/new links you've found since your original posts.
 
Old 06-29-2006, 06:21 AM   #5
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two or three years of free internet serving using Redhat9 later...

It bet that the hard disk on my server are probably nearing their "end of life" but I finally felt the need for some upgrades to my redhat 9 system. It may well have been compromised many times already. As you say, I do not even know if the hackers have been in or not.

As I explain on this thread, the Fedora Legacy people are so kind as to offer yum (Yelling dog upgrader modified, I think), which replaces the Redhat updating service (up2date or via a menu option from the desk top)
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=345865
or directly from here
http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/yum-rh9.php

It even seems possible to upgrade the kernel from redhat to fedora core on the fly. Wow.

I think I am sure that this is going to improve the security of my server.

When I updated my server for the first time in 2 years using yum a vast number of packages were updated. However, to my surprise, it also resulted in a lot of emails being sent out. I had never set up an email server on my server. My network administrators have only opened the ftp and http ports of my server. But for some reason when I made my server up to date using yum, all those mails that would otherwise have been sent out using php were uddenly sent out all at a go. Some how the new up to date version manages to sent email even though the port should be blocked. This is why I am not 100% sure that yum update-ing my system will result in improved security.

Also it did not result in a newer version of mysql. I think that this is because fedora legacy only provides rpms to fix security issues and not to upgrade software or even for bugfixes that do not result in security holes.

As the last poster points out it is very generous to have fedora legacy at all. I was a member of the fedora legacy mailing lists but left before (i presume) the announced they arrivale of yum for redhat 9.

I am now trying to work out how to get a new version of mysql.
 
Old 06-30-2006, 02:52 AM   #6
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I updated everything on my system.
I removed the line exclued=*kernel from /etc/yum.conf and updated the kernel too. But I can not "upgrade" (not update, upgrade to fedora core) the kernel nor is there any offer of an upgrade for mysql.
While fedora legacy keeps being so kind as to release security fixes, yum will keep my system going but it does not seem to allow me to get more recent releases of software such as mysql or openoffice, both of which I would like.
 
Old 06-30-2006, 06:19 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timtak
I updated everything on my system.
I removed the line exclued=*kernel from /etc/yum.conf and updated the kernel too. But I can not "upgrade" (not update, upgrade to fedora core) the kernel nor is there any offer of an upgrade for mysql.
While fedora legacy keeps being so kind as to release security fixes, yum will keep my system going but it does not seem to allow me to get more recent releases of software such as mysql or openoffice, both of which I would like.
Fedora Legacy only issues critical security fixes. If you want the latest and greatest, then unfortunately you will have to upgrade to a newer distro.
 
Old 06-30-2006, 06:21 AM   #8
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Thank you Reddazz Guru for your helpful reply.

If you have time, please could you tell if it is possible to upgrade to a newer distro using yum?

I am not familiar with doing things with rpms and dependencies.

Tim
 
Old 06-30-2006, 06:27 AM   #9
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I wouldn't upgrade Resht 9 to Fedora Core using YUM because the systems are so different and you could end up with a hosed system. In the past I have upgraded FC to latest releases using YUM. Also CentOS using YUM as its default package manager and it can be used to upgrade from one minor release to another.
 
  


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