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Old 03-25-2005, 12:01 PM   #1
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Probs d/loading/burning RH 9 isos - newbie


Hi folks. Checked out a few similar posts but not sure they help me. I have an all-windows home network of 2 desktops (wired) and a notebook (wireless link), but want to experiment with red hat on one machine. This is my first excursion into linux.

I used windows xp pro to download disk 1 of RH 9 (shrike) from one of your recommended sites. I copied this to a CD but it is obviously not bootable as the computer recognises an old RH 7 disk but not this one. I found out about md5sum and ran that on the downloaded iso file and it reports loads of errors.

What can i do to get an error-free copy of the iso, using windows. Obviously, at 680 mg a throw I don't want to have to do all this again even with broadband.

TIA

Richard
 
Old 03-26-2005, 06:41 AM   #2
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First off, Redhat Linux 9 is ancient by current standards (it's 4 major releases back). That's like installing Win98 on a machine now. I suggest you consider Fedora Core 3, the latest incarnation of the same software. To get a guaranteed good download, you can use your favorite Bittorrent client to download the software (FC3 is called 'heidelberg', and FC4 is in test for June release). You want the 'i386' version (unless you have an AMD64, in which case get the x86_64 version).
 
Old 03-26-2005, 11:08 AM   #3
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Thanks for that. The only reason for staying with Red Hat is I have now got version 7 installed and have a couple of huge books on that OS.

At the moment I have it installed in a virtual machine under a Windows XP Pro copy of VMWare Workstation - a very nifty piece of kit. It has allowed me to install and break RH 7 several times without interfering with my Win installation.

As to Fedora - just a couple of questions. I understood that Fedora was really for developers and "experts" rather than a complete newbie like me.

Also - will it be any more likely that I will get an error-free download?

Thanks again

Richard

PS - I visited that site you offered and it shows FC3 as over 2 GIGABYTES? Surely that can't be right?

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Old 03-26-2005, 11:52 AM   #4
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Your books on Redhat Linux apply to Fedora as well (aside from the changes and additions that occur between releases).

Fedora Core holds the same position that Redhat Linux previously held, with the addition of more community input. Redhat Linux was for "developers and experts"; everyone else was supposed to use Redhat Enterprise Linux. The features installed early in Redhat Linux moved to Redhat Enterprise. Now the features intriduced in Fedora Core move to Redhat Enterprise. In short, if you were OK with Redhat Linux before, you'll be OK with Fedora Core (only it's much easier to use).

Bittorrent guarantees a good download. Files are received in blocks which are individually CRC'd, and every block is checked by the application. An error causes a retransmission. This checking is in addition to the TCP level error checking (which is all you have with FTP or HTTP transfer).

FC3 is four CDs of software (and another four CDs if you want the source). Ease of use means lots of new GUI functionality; unless you are into using the command line, you never have to use it again (just like a WindowsXP or Mac OSX machine). As I mentioned earlier; think of the usability improvements between Win98 and WinXP; it's come about that from from Redhat 9. If you were on Redhat 7 before, It's like moving from Win3.1 to WinXP.
 
Old 03-27-2005, 02:41 AM   #5
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That sounds very encouraging - I'll give it a go. I have to go away on a trip for a couple of weeks but will do it on my return.

BTW - can you just download the first disk (presumably just the OS plus gui etc) or do you have to get all four disks - still concerned about the download time for 2 Gbs!

Richard
 
Old 03-27-2005, 09:45 AM   #6
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You have to get all four. Sometimes, depending on the installation options only the first three are needed. If the download time is a concern, you can try contacting your local Linux User Group, or you can purchase the CDs for less than $10 for the set:

http://www.linuxcd.org/view_distro.p...ef=distrowatch
http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.c...ra/inst_3.html
http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011094.html
http://www.linuxcdshop.ca/cat--Fedora-Core--Fedora.html
 
Old 03-27-2005, 10:19 AM   #7
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OK - all four it is. Not easy to get stuff purchased from overseas and delivered to my place in the middle of nowhere in Spain!
 
Old 03-28-2005, 02:37 AM   #8
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macemoneta - sorry one more quick question: can I use bittorrent windows to download through windows first, or does this have to be a download through a linux installation?

I have got linux red hat 7 up and running but only an ancient version of netscape comes with that. Also I am not very confident about downloading fedora using linux and then installing, since this would actually be the first time I have done anything like that using linux. Probably the download of 2.4 gb and my new OS would not be the best time to practice !!
 
Old 03-28-2005, 06:15 AM   #9
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Yes, you can use the Windows Bittorrent client to download. When the download is complete, you can burn the CDs, then boot using the first CD to start the installation.
 
Old 04-07-2005, 12:42 PM   #10
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Sorry about the delay in getting back to you re my attempts to download fedora. I have been overseas and only just got home again.

I checked your suggested download site but there are two possible i386 isos - one is binary and one source. Not sure what the difference is but is it the source iso images I need?

Thanks

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Old 04-07-2005, 01:18 PM   #11
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You want the binaries.

The source is just that - the (mostly) C code that allows you to modify and compile a new version of the software.
 
Old 04-09-2005, 01:23 PM   #12
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Well - thanks to your advice I finally got the Fedora downloaded (20 hours it took - a bit disappointing as that was half my normal download speed. However, I am pursuing possible improvements via a bittorrent forum).

What to do now? I have copied the iso images to CDs but neither the first disk nor the rescue disk will boot. I also tried mounting the iso using Daemon and copying the actual files from disk 1 to a CD. That didn't boot either. I know I can boot from the CDROM as other CDs - Windows and Linux - will boot OK.

Have you any tips as to how I can make a bootable CD for Disk 1?

Thanks for your help so far
 
Old 04-09-2005, 01:57 PM   #13
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I think you just copied the isos instead of burning them as cd images. What CD burning app did you use.
 
Old 04-09-2005, 06:43 PM   #14
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Yup -you're right. Silly me. I am having problems with my second computer that has Easy Creator on it, so I copied the isos using Win XP's drag and drop.

I'll try and burn them tomorrow
 
Old 04-11-2005, 11:24 AM   #15
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IGNORE THIS PLEASE - I HAVE NOW GOT EVERYTHING WORKING. THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THE BURN PROGRAM PLUS A FAULTY CD DRIVE. Thanks anyway to all who helped me.

Well - you won't believe it (or maybe you will <grin>) I STILL have not been able to create bootable CDs for my download of Fedora. This time I tried burning the iso images to CD using two different programs - Deepburner and CDburner XP Pro. Neither the first disk nor the rescue disk will boot. I have tried them both on two different computers - both of which will boot from other CDs including a Win XP Pro disk and an old Red Hat CD.

Can you advise what file(s) are actually used to boot the CD and I will check to see if they are on the CDs. Otherwise, I am stumped and very frustrated. I have read just about everything on the internet re making bootable CDs from iso images and can't see where I am going wrong. BTW, I am taking it that the computer should boot from the iso image itself without me needing to burn the CD using the "make bootable CD" option as well? This is available in one of the burn programs but when I tried this it seemed to just produce a corrupted CD that even iso readers could not decipher.

Richard

PS - I don't know if you have ever used VM software - I have VMWare Workstation, but it allows you to run as many OS as you like at the same time, each in a virtual space on a hard disk. Well I have discovered that I can install Fedora quite happly using this program, as it readily identifies Fedora's disk 1 as a bootable floppy and boots up just fine. (This is the CD burned with Deepburner - even it doesn't recognise the one burned with CDburnerXP Pro 3.)

This makes me think that maybe the problem is with the Bios that for some reason won't recognise it as a boot disk. What do you think?

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