NOTE: Red Hat vs. Fedora Forum

Why switch to livna.org's Nvidia driver RPM?
http://rpm.livna.org/livna-switcher.html

I use Fedora quite happily, and about your nVidia driver, I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Do you feel Red$hat upon?

It seems that RedHat developed a free productwith the aid of a enourmous user base, and then made that product a commercial one by withdrawing support, just at the stage when Red Hat reached a stage when it could compete with M$.

Some claim that the Fedora project is just a name change of RedHat free distribution. But it says repeatedly on the site that the Fedora project is "bleeding edge."

RedHat9 is not bleeding edge at all. If Fedora is bleeding edge and advancing fast it will not be suitable, methinks, for a challenged user like me.

Relatedly, Fedora seems to have considerably Redhat control. Redhat developed a free product with the help of a large user base and then moved over to a commercial licence just when they reached a desk-top user friendly standard. It seems clear that having developed a good product they want to make money out of it. It would stand to reason therefore, that they are not going to want there to be a free competing product. My guess is that
1) They will deliberately provide just enough support to allow it to be, as they say, "bleeding edge,"
2) They will continue to "aid the advance" of Fedora Core at such a pace that it is always pleasurable to those with knowledge, and always a bit too risky for those without.
So that those clever people (nerds,with respect) that CAN fuel development will get their OS free. While those that cannot (newbies, the challenged) will still have to pay, like at M$.

And fair enough? Why should newbies, read freeloaders, get anything free? Open Source is, or should be, perhaps Free as in Freeloaders pay.

Incidentally, the price of M$ XP at ebay (which comes with free support) seems to be less than the price of RH support.

Originally posted by Shadow-X So then what Red Hat is basically saying is to hell with you all from RH 9 down, Were movin on and you are all staying OR Paying!!! This is how i read what RH is doing!!!........

what they are saying or what they are not saying, one thing is for sure.... they are making money at about $25 U.S. per share... i wish Mandrake could say that....

- perry

Originally posted by Bobmeister Boy, I wish people would just READ the Fedora Web site, or just download and install it, or just do SOMETHING except keep this thread going around in circles. It's been, what? Six months now since this thing has been announced? Fedora is BETTER than Red Hat 10 ever would have been. WHY? BECAUSE it's NOT an official release of a "commercial" product. It is cutting edge, fast paced, and FULL SUPPORTED...just not "officially." What this means is: If you are in a BUSINESS running a network of Linux Computers, you will probably be running Red Hat Enterprise, SuSE, or some other "official" release. But for everyone else (us) we get a GREAT distribution....TONS of updates of WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE for FREE (remember RHN?...don't need that anymore)...and a lot of NEW stuff (Like yum and apt support with a zillion possibilities). So, for ALL of the people who keep saying that Red Hat has "screwed" or "abandoned" us, it's just not true. In actuality, they have given, and I'll emphasize that word again, GIVEN us something BETTER! I am now running Fedora Core 1 (since November 5th) and have not had ONE PROBLEM..and it is better than the previous Red Hat 9. I have had ALL OF THE SECURITY UPDATES and fixes that would have been provided on RH9 and a lot more. Please just check it out. This was a GOOD thing...and I'm excited to put Fedora Core 2 Test 1 on my test machine in a week or two when it comes out! See? Also, if you are interested in news and support, check out http://www.fedoranews.org and read the newsletters that are published there....or check out Fedorazine, or check out Fedora.us and see how much support and software is available out there. I'm sorry for ranting, but this is a really great thing.....I have now tried Debian, a couple of BSD's, Slackware, and I am running FEDORA on my "main" machine? Why? Because it's good! So, Red Hat (the company) wants to actually SELL something...ENTERPRISE Linux....I think that's GREAT. They are also sponsering a TOTALLY FREE CUTTING EDGE UNOFFICIALLY, but SUPPORTED project called Fedora. OK...walk away if you want...I'm in and having a GREAT time...why don't you join in?

in other words, r u saying that downloading RH9 and spending all day trying to install it has been a waste of time ?????

- perry

No, he's saying FC1 is a more advanced distro than RH 9, similar in most ways, but radically different in others (namely philosophy)... If you can get RH9 to install, great! RH9 (IMO) was the BEST [free] RH ever. FC just follows those steps and takes what RH9 did for the desktop a step further. If you ever install FC2, in the installation screens, you'll see a THANKING message from Red Hat...

Originally posted by Thetargos No, he's saying FC1 is a more advanced distro than RH 9, similar in most ways, but radically different in others (namely philosophy)... If you can get RH9 to install, great! RH9 (IMO) was the BEST [free] RH ever. FC just follows those steps and takes what RH9 did for the desktop a step further. If you ever install FC2, in the installation screens, you'll see a THANKING message from Red Hat...

hmmmm, thats pretty interesting.... but as we speak, up2date is on it's maiden run on my machine and i have honestly not seen anything run as smooth as this installation. true, my sound card, while fully detected, is not operating but thats about it (i strongly expect the updates to take care of it). and the speed of the machine, i don't know if it's part of a brand new installation, if both mandrake and slackware had both this effect when i first installed them, but i'm finding my brand new red hat 9 installation to be the most solid thing i've seen to date. and to think, that i use to think that somehow, red hat was 2nd place in the desktop catagory. i take all that back at the moment....

so far so good on RH9, i'll keep you all posted!

- perry

/me whispers: About the sound problem, go get the ALSA drivers, they work just fine in RH9 (and dpending on your card) most probably have your card fully supported.

Originally posted by Thetargos /me whispers: About the sound problem, go get the ALSA drivers, they work just fine in RH9 (and dpending on your card) most probably have your card fully supported.

where do i find the ALSA drivers ?

in the meantime, i writing to you now from my brand spanking new RH9 installation with all the updates applied.

looking really good - now for the sound card

boy, RH is really starting to spoil me, isn't great to have so many options under Linux!

- perry

Originally posted by Thetargos /me whispers: About the sound problem, go get the ALSA drivers, they work just fine in RH9 (and dpending on your card) most probably have your card fully supported.

Update! my guess on applying all the patches and then running the Sound Detection (which was right in the menu) worked!!!!

No more trouble than that - Ok Ok - Red Hat 9 now gets the Gold Medal for ease of installation and performance....

I'm one spoiled man!

- perry

ps.
i'll be sure to let you know of my first siezure when something doesn't go right...

Hehe... Here you can get the drivers

Originally posted by perry Update! my guess on applying all the patches and then running the Sound Detection (which was right in the menu) worked!!!! No more trouble than that - Ok Ok - Red Hat 9 now gets the Gold Medal for ease of installation and performance.... I'm one spoiled man! - perry ps. i'll be sure to let you know of my first siezure when something doesn't go right...

ok, now how to get a past the XMMS licensing issues.... it appears RH has removed mpeg ability from XMMS, how do i get around this...

any takers

- perry

/me says shrike.freshrpms.net (search for the xmms-mp3 plugin)

I have learned so much about linux today that my head is about to explode.

OK