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Old 10-28-2012, 06:30 PM   #1
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Question migrating to RHEL


1) I would like to try either RHEL Desktop or RHEL Workstation. Is RHEL Desktop called RHEL Client in version 6? If yes, then one can see the difference between those two versions here: http://www.redhat.com/products/enter...p/compare.html If not, then what are the differences between RHEL Desktop and RHEL Workstation? And what is RHEL Client?


2) "Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Desktops or Workstations" gives "Self-support Subscription" for 1 year. However, "Self-support" does not involve any support at all according to support matrix. Or am I misunderstanding something? I would like to have business hours e-mail support which is able to answer technical questions regarding RHEL + fill in bug reports if there might occur any.


3) Are RHEL official repositories available only as long as my subscription is active?


4) In general, is Red Hat e-mail support fast and technical?
 
Old 10-28-2012, 06:59 PM   #2
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RHEL6.3 is the current and it costs anywhere from $49 to $299 ( for the desktop license) PER YEAR
and $349 to over $3600 PER YEAR for the server license



or
install the FREE BUT self supported CentOS 6.3 or ScientificLinux6.3

red hat is NOT a good choice for a HOME general purpose desktop
it is a VERY conservative OS and is/was never designed for the " home" desktop use

it IS good for the Office ( 10 year life span) and the server



a "workstation" was a server class hardware in a desktop set up
but that is getting a bit blurry with the current hardware


basically a xenon server type of cpu on a desktop setup

A red hat sales rep will be glad to have a chat with you -- and close a sale .

talk to them

as to the "self support "
if you have to ask then you DO NOT want that
it assumes that YOU are already a red hat system admin with experience
you will want / need the standard 1 or 3 year support contract

for #3
yes the RHN is ONLY for currently paid for and registered licensed installs

if it is not registered -- you DO NOT install software
and you DO NOT install any "critical" security updates or "critical" bug fixes

-- if you are NOT going to buy the support contract
install CentOS 6.3 or SL 6.3

however
for piece of mind and security and until YOU get experience
buy a 1 year and maybe a second year support license

THEN after you get some experience

it is VERY simple to migrate a RHEL install to CentOS
most of the time just typing in a few commands
see the CentOS wiki migration guide for that

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Old 10-29-2012, 06:15 PM   #3
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John VV,

thank you for your reply! In case "Self-support" means basically no support, then I guess it's smarter to use CentOS instead which has self-support as well :P

Are there any other restrictions one should know when using RHEL? I mean what happens if I install software from CentOS repository or compile from source? Do I lose my support?

Last but not least, how is it ensured that only subscribed members have access to official RHEL repository? Do I get some sort of key which is checked when I try to access RHEL repositories using the packet manager?
 
Old 10-29-2012, 09:10 PM   #4
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the self is the updates and access to the knowledge base

cent is a good alternative BUT ( there always is one) YOU are ALL the support staff

if you are a bit unsure
use RHEL and buy the std 1 year support and use it for one year
Then when YOU are comfortable
migrate to centOS

or

do a bunch of reading
bookmark help sites
and help forums
and dive in head first

but LEARN first what you are getting into FIRST
and make an educated choice


red hat is a bit of an odd ball
the os IS free
BUT the updates and bug fixes are not
and you get access to that WITH the support contract

red hat sells THE SUPPORT
that is the caret
the security fixes and updates is the stick


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Last but not least, how is it ensured that only subscribed members have access to official RHEL repository? Do I get some sort of key which is checked when I try to access RHEL repositories using the packet manager?
basically locks ( yes they can be gotten around - but it is easier to install CentOS and not bother)

in a unregistered install try to update
Code:
su -
yum update
you will get an error about disabling RHN support
 
Old 10-30-2012, 03:12 AM   #5
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John VV,

I wrote to Red Hat. In a meantime, are Red Hat updates and bug fixes faster than CentOS is able to provide? In addition, am I correct that Red Hat repositories are very well maintained and conflicts between packages or unresolved dependencies are very rare?
Last but not least, when you said that Red Hat is conservative, does this mean that Red Hat does not make architectural changes to the distribution easily(for example drop xorg.conf, adopt to GRUB2, Consistent Network Device Naming and other similar changes)?
 
Old 10-30-2012, 07:04 AM   #6
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are Red Hat updates and bug fixes faster than CentOS is able to provide?
Technically yes, given that Centos is a free rebuild(!) of RH, with the proprietary artwork and eg RHN sw removed/replaced.
On the other hand, even Redhat's SW isn't always perfect, so you should have a test system and/or wait a bit eg by using Centos.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:44 PM   #7
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Technically yes, given that Centos is a free rebuild(!) of RH, with the proprietary artwork and eg RHN sw removed/replaced.
On the other hand, even Redhat's SW isn't always perfect, so you should have a test system and/or wait a bit eg by using Centos.
ok How stable and compatible is RHEL repository compared to Debian repository? I have run into dependency hell or to broken dependencies with Debian repositories. However, it happens rarely. In addition, I guess RHEL does not have so many packages in repository as Debian has?
 
Old 10-31-2012, 05:09 PM   #8
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the RHN is very safe
it is the third party repos that WILL REQUIRE installing and configuring the "yum-priorities" plugin
or the "yum -protect base" plugin

most of the problems stem from trying to use RHEL as a home desktop and installing third party multimedia rpm's
or trying to get a NEW game to run on rhel
 
Old 11-01-2012, 04:25 PM   #9
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the RHN is very safe
it is the third party repos that WILL REQUIRE installing and configuring the "yum-priorities" plugin
or the "yum -protect base" plugin

most of the problems stem from trying to use RHEL as a home desktop and installing third party multimedia rpm's
or trying to get a NEW game to run on rhel
Ok By the way, according to Red Hat sales, main difference between "Desktop", "Workstation" and "Server" is the amount of packages each one has. "Server" is the most comprehensive and has everything that "Workstation" and "Desktop" have.
In addition, looks like starting from RHEL6 "Desktop" is indeed called "Client"
 
Old 11-24-2012, 07:10 PM   #10
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Personally, I would recommend against using RHEL. Unlike most other distros, it's bug fix/support costs money. Fedora is a zero-cost, equally competent alternative to RHEL...but if you are going for Red Hat, perhaps you could dual-boot with another distro, in which case, you wind up enjoying the best of both worlds, free and slightly less free software.

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Old 11-26-2012, 02:05 AM   #11
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Fedora is RH's bleeding edge unstable R&D distro. not recommended for serious stuff eg at work.
If you want free RHEL, go Centos. RHEL includes updates & support, Centos just updates.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 02:07 AM   #12
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On the other hand, even Redhat's SW isn't always perfect, so you should have a test system and/or wait a bit eg by using Centos.
That's pretty funny.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 12:41 PM   #13
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Save yourself a lot of grief by using Centos 6. It is a pretty close clone of RHEL with full support. Use it headless or as minimal desktop with something like Fluxbox.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 08:17 PM   #14
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As per my previous comment, Centos doesn't provide support, that's part of why its free.
They do have forums of course, but is not 'official' support and you can't demand they help unlike say RHEL, where you're paying for that service.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 04:37 AM   #15
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Well, there is support a la Centos and there is nappy changing and hand holding at heavy cost.
Centos DOES have support,On the home page, in the SUPPORT tab, are drop downs for Security & Updates, Bugs, Forums, IRC (Chat), Mailing Lists etc. There are other tabs for a variety of other functions. So my advice is to use the quick tutorial I linked to above then use Centos's SUPPORT !

Of course I realise that RHEL support is probably far more fully featured as it is intended for business customers who have the large sums to pay for it. I am presuming that the poster doesn't have those sums of money otherwise he wouldn't have made the post.

So, again, Centos 6.

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