SilverPenguin:
I was reading your post regarding the OS's an DSL hardware so here is some info I have on that. I have built several desktop tower units and have learned that I have not yet run into a problem with the DSL applications. I tend to lean toward the Linksys line of NIC hardware and have used it with both RH7.2, 8.0 and Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0 and have had no problems with establishing the web connection and accessing the net first time I tried. The only hardware problems I have encountered is that if you are using 56k modem as the connecting device, then there are only a very limited few that are supported by Linux. Hope this helps you.

gvaught:

You sound like me i.e. Mandrake 9.1, I installed it on this machine and the next day went back to RH 8.0. I ran into a problem with the initial installation in that it would not install using the GUI. I had to do it with the textual (?) version. I will try it again at a later time and date maybe on my other machine it has Mandrake 9.0 on it.

As far as the bye bye RH an hello Fedora goes ... I am just going to wait and see. I am very, very new to Linux and have had some problems that are not making me real fond of it, but I am very stubborn too, so in that end I will prevail, eventually.

DavidPhillips:
Read your post about the downloads i.e patches etc. According to what I read in one of the infomation pieces it will take approximately 27 hours to download the ISO's for the Fedora install and that is using a 56k modem/dial up. THAT is in anyones book a loooong time.

that's possible - it wouldn't be surprising.

one thing people seem to forget is that RH is a *public corporation* - its entire reason for being is to make more money for shareholders -- that's it -- not the quality of the product, not the good of the Linux community, not supporting its user base. sure those are good things, but only matter if they help make more money.

this is not to put down RH - they have a business and duties to their shareholders, and have to act accordingly. if you don't like RH's product, there are many excellent alternatives across the "freedom" vs. "profit" spectrum for you to use and contribute to.

Dale

I realize that, however getting someone with a high speed connection to burn a copy for you is a good option. They could also burn the latest updates. Then you only need to download new updates which are going to be coming out.


I did install zipslack and built it up to a full desktop linux system using a modem. It took a while. wget is a great tool for doing resumable downloads. My system was at the motel downloading stuff while I was at work.

I for one am going to use this as an opportunity to try out new distros. Maybe I will go to Fedora, maybe not. The freedom of Linux is the freedom of choice. Next up Suse 9, or ..... :-)

Ok, how about a list of alternatives, even though the others are listed elsewhere on this site? This can help the RH folks make a potential change over.

1. Keep RH and do the update to all the packages yourself. Maybe someone can add how this can be done from one location, in terms of knowing which packages actually need to be updated?

2. SuSE - maybe someone can add something to each distro, maybe a pros and cons list, including things about updating.

3. FreeBSD - "same as above".

4. Slackware Linux -

5. Gentoo

6. Debian

7. Mandrake

8. Etc


I found a site that has a description of many of these...
http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

Like cats, we can rebound, so for some of us who are prepared to work around this issue, maybe we can move into the resolution phase. Just a thought.

I would appreciate anything you guys and gals might be able to offer with reviewing some of these different options (for the current RH users, considering the circumstances...to keep this on in the 'right' area). In the end, we can consolidate the list of options and nail this baby done some more.

Let's brainstorm, folks...I know I am. I can only do so much with my limited knowledge, but with your help, and the openness of this community's support, we can make this a lot easier for all of us. That's the beauty of all of this, from my perspective.

I eagerly await more from all of you.

Thank you, All...

-joseph

Re: End of the Line for RedHat 7-9 ( post #57)


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Originally posted by jakcap
I receive my RehHat end of Life E-mail today!!!!!
Well, Well, Well..looks like the RedHat marketing boys have thrown the nerds outta the front office. If I didn't know any better it would seem Microsoft has taken control of the company...
There's absolutely no excuse for RedHat to end support for these versions just because they are developing newer Versions/Platforms. The root of this e-mail is based on pure corporate greed...and the faithful RedHat users are the loosers.
Maybe they should rename the company while there at it???
I think we should have a little contest on a new name for RedHat.
How about.... MicroRedHatSoft Corp or HasAnyOneSeenMyRedhat Corp or
RedSoftMicroHat Corp ...
..wait I got it!!! BendOverAndPickUpMyRedHat Corp........

Anyway can anyone recommend an good alt distrib....
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Done ranting about your ignorance now? Feel better?

Look, YOU provide free support for old products, keeping them current and tested and verified fo rfree and see how long YOU stay in business. *Every* OS vendor does this, at least those who are sticking around.

how about instead of being a (unwilling) MS FUD spreadwer, you go look at the site and learn a thing or two. http://fedora.redhat.com/

Go there and . If you then have questions ask them. As it sits now, it just looks like maybe M$ took over your keyboard.

Oh, BTW I communicate with many of the nerds at RH. They say they *love* the idea as it will make things better. Packages will be mor eup to date, and they will have the package maintainers doing the job. This will mean more testing and higher quality releases of Fedora and the packages.

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Only people who are ignorant here are the ones that believe that you have no affiliation with RedHat. Hell, your probably the secretary in RedHats front office who sent us the e-mails...Regardless, I don't have to go to RedHats website to know when Ive been hoodwinked by a good marketing (this is the Keyword jerk..)ploy.. Why dont you try spewing your moronic propaganda to the people who invested time and money into their RedHat 9-7 certifications. I'd like to see some of their responses to your babbles.
What's really amusing to me is the fact that if "GREAT SATAN MICROSOFT" decided to abandon all their current OS's for a new product and then told us that "any prior versions will not be officially supported" I'm sure we would see morons like you posting MS hate flames and hacking IIS severs for years....
To set the record straight not only do I have a background in (another keyword idiot) business but I'm also a 10 yr network admin with all the bullshit certs.But please, don't misunderstand me (for I am a true capitalist )and I wish RedHat all the best and actually hope they give the great MS Satan a run for their money ..but.. on the other hand I would of thought that they might of taken care of us die hard idiots (who have taken and sold their OS to our employers) that have gotten them this far..


Your ignorance of the mechanics of corporate business and marketing are laughable and usually the reason that you and 99% of your IT Admin friends answer to the MIS dept ran some old battleaxe wearing bad perfume and business (another keyword ..joker) degree from some local hayseed community college.

Now you have all the time in the world so ..go call all your buddies at RedHat and have them help you compose a reply to me (at least make it funny with some good insults) that will justify that the reason they are doing this is for the better for all of us and that they are not trying to be the next "Great Satan of Information Technology Hell"

Kiss Off

I'm not whining. I'm offering an opinion as to why I feel this is a loss for linux newbies. What you clearly don't know (since you didn't bother to read my post) is that Red Hat doesn't provide what I'm looking for in a Linux distribution. RedHat's new buisness model in no way affects me. I stated in an earlier post that Fedora CDs will be available from third parties, but for $179 dollars for the basic RedHat edition they should provde CDs.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Let's try to disagree without the personal attacks.


Thanks,

Gee you can be humorous. Even if unintentionally. Actually, I am at HP, not RH. Handling the Linux servers for about a quarter million accounts. If I were to work for RH it would be either as a Python developer or an instructor.

Otherwise, my only "affiliation" w/RH is my RHCE and the fact that I participate in the mailing lists, expressing my opinion and asking *gasp* questions as opposed to spreading FUD.



In other words, you relish your ignorance and will refuse to RTFM. Yes, I agree you've been hoodwinked, but it wasn't RH's marketing that did it. It is your own mind.

Would you? Let's test that assertion, shall we?
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/

Go there, look through the archives.

Since I am an RHCE (went in, took the test, got an average of over 90%, no classes), so you again fall flat in your assumptions.

Actually, I'd applaud them, as I have before. Of course, your analogy is fatally flawed, since you are saying MS should do what RH is NOT doing. RH still has their enterprise line, a current OS. In fact RHEL 2.1 will be maintained/supported until May of 2007. Version 3, which was just released, will be until around November of 2008 (five years from general availability).

You think MS doesn't drop support for older version? Call them up for support on Dos, or Windows 3.1, NT3.51, NT4, or Windows95.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle.mspx

Go there (or are you afraid of MS Marketing ploys too?) and you'll learn that as of December 31, 2001 the following OSes were dropped from support:
ALL: MS DOS
Windows 3.xx
Windows 95
Windows NT 3.5x

As of June 30 2003:
Windows NT4.x Workstation

As of January 16 : Windows 98/98SE

As of December 31 this year MS will be dropping support for Windows ME.

So you see, they did, and will continue to drop support for older versions of their operating systems. You would also learn that support for XP home ends in 2006, 2000 in 2007, and XP Pro in 2008.

Really, all it took was one short google search to learn that. I'd think someone of your "caliber" would know these things.


Ahh, a pissing contest. Well, I've been an admin for a little over 7 years, for the military, a nationwide ISP, and Fortune 50 companies, contributor to several OS projects, and do in fact have an RHCE. I currently am an admin/developer of systems handling messaging for such companies as Hewlett-Packard and Merril-Lynch maybe you've heard of them? In addition to that I've been a hardware tester plunging the depths of fibre channel and the SCSI subsystem in the Linux Kernel.

In my "spare time" I teach Linux, Unix, Shell scripting, and develop courseware for the above courses to keep them current. Prior to that I was a store manager and a restaraunt manager. I also served in the US Army, and started/have run the Linux in Boise Club for about 6 years or so.

There, happy now? Probably not.

And if you actually did the RTFW you would know that they have taken care of us non-idiots. As to idiots that can't RTFM but want to bitch and spread FUD, well I cant say they do much about those kind of people.

Sure, keep dreaming.

Go ask them yourself, I'm not your research assistant; especially when you think yourself above doing some reading. Hell, ask Alan Cox or Havoc Pennington if you are so afraid of marketing. They've posted on it, and are on the lists for Fedora, as are Mike Harris of RH and Bill Nottingham of RH.

But for the rest of the people reading this:
Community development, not RH development
More releases, releasing earlier and more often (every 4-6 months)
Each release being more cutting edge than retail and enterprise sets can be
More availability of the distribution due to a much less strict trademark guideline set allowing commercial production of Fedora Core
Apt/Yum support built into up2date for access to third party repositories
In combination with the above, third parties can continue to provide support/upgrades for Fedora beyond RH's lifecycle in RHN.

Indeed, opening it up to the community, the community is already responsible for improvments to Fedora Core. GNOME 2.4, and OpenOffice.org 1.1 for example. Prior RH plans had OOo 1.0.x and GNOME 2.3 not 2.4. So we 've already made a difference. At least, those of us who bother to read and ask the source, as opposed to spreading FUD.

Of course, if you bothered to RTFM you would have seen that there was to be a new retail product this fall, said product is now out and called RH Professional Workstation; which will be supported/maintained until late 2008.

Of course, there will be three full RHEL releases in that time period, so in four and a half years or so, RH will be providing maintenance/support for no less than three OSes (and maintenance for the then-current versions of Fedora Core). Indeed, they'll be doing that in 18 months.

The only nerve you've struck is people who refuse to learn and just want to whine and spread FUD.

After all, does MS provide Source? RH does, even for their flagship Enterprise Line, and always has. Guess what, if you RTFM on the GPL you'll find out they don't have to. Yet they do. Yet people like you want to compare them to MS. Why? Probably just the typical human "bash number one" mentality.

According to Bruce Perens (maybe you've heard of him?), RH has *always* done the right thing by the community, Fedora included. But then maye you're not part of the community?

red hat still has me ticked off. i got to agree with the poster, we got screwed. i have bought every red hat distro, retail, since red hat 7.1, and this is the gratitude i get. maybe after a month or 2 i will get over it.

and switching to their stable enterprise workstation 3, don,t want a office productivity operating system, want a multi-media desktop. this has me upset also.

I don't think you understand the concept. It's the same thing you have been buying, only now it's free.




Fedora is working great on my machine.

New version released

yarrow

So you think that making it cheaper for you, and continuing to provide it free is screwing you? That's your choice but do realize that most of us like it to be free/cheaper. Though it would be nice to know how that is screwing you.

As far as wanting amultimedia desktop, since when has RH been providing that?!? If you want that and use RH you have to use third party tools. Of course, the new Fedora makes that a cakewalk using up2date/apt/yum.