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solspin 11-03-2003 11:59 AM

Looks like all of us Redhat users are screwed!
 
I got this email from Redhat today:

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

That is funny because I just went out last week and got SuSE 9.0! Perfect
timing. I guess linuxquestions.org will have to remove the Redhat distro section
and put in a SuSE distro instead! Fine with me.


msh8r 11-03-2003 12:50 PM

I admit, I had some mixed feelings too, when I got the email from RedHat today. But then, after thinking about it for while, it's not as bad as it looks:
RedHat concentrates on the Enterprise line of products, while still supporting the free software through the Fedora project (http://fedora.redhat.com)
After all, they are a company that wants to (and has to) make money to stay in business.

trickykid 11-03-2003 12:58 PM

Re: Looks like all of us Redhat users are screwed!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by solspin
That is funny because I just went out last week and got SuSE 9.0! Perfect
timing. I guess linuxquestions.org will have to remove the Redhat distro section
and put in a SuSE distro instead! Fine with me.

We won't be moving or deleting any forums just because Redhat decides to stop officially supporting the product.

Though we talked with Suse many times and still awaiting an answer if they want to join our forums. Search as you will find our stance in adding distro forums to this site, we don't just add them cause we want them.

Regards.

solspin 11-03-2003 01:11 PM

Right, right. I was just ranting and raving! Just a little disappointed in always seeing Linux products come and (eventually) go.

SILVERPENGUIN 11-03-2003 01:29 PM

Re: Looks like all of us Redhat users are screwed!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by solspin
Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

Pardon my ignorance, but I am very new to the concept of using Linux instead of MS. At this moment, I am trying to flee from the MS BS!. Just this week I was looking into picking up a copy of RH9. Are they seriously saying, No more support after April? Are they just going to focus on their big business server customers and leave the home user's out in the cold?

This being the case...Does anyone have a distribution suggestion for a soon to be "EX" MS XP pro user? I need one that is easy to install and configure, and will will work great for a small office network.

stingx 11-03-2003 01:30 PM

Re: Looks like all of us Redhat users are screwed!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by solspin
I got this email from Redhat today:

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

That is funny because I just went out last week and got SuSE 9.0! Perfect
timing. I guess linuxquestions.org will have to remove the Redhat distro section
and put in a SuSE distro instead! Fine with me.

Good for RedHat. They want to stick to Enterprise Linux, which we use at my company. Great for them. You have Fedora for your freebie shit now. Same thing, different name. Nothing to view here so we'll move on.

SILVERPENGUIN 11-03-2003 01:36 PM

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solspin 11-03-2003 01:41 PM

Geez! There are lots of distro's that you could try. Most are easy to install. Really, it is all relative to who you ask. I am using Redhat now, and am switching to SuSE. Do I think SuSE is the best distro? Of course not. They are all very similar. Would I go to a completely free distro like Fedora? No. You are pretty much on your own with a free distro. I want some support and documentation with the products I use. Having said that, Debian, Mandrake, Lycoris, .......

SILVERPENGUIN 11-03-2003 01:44 PM

Ahhh....so they will have "Enterprise" Linux!

Try not to be so harsh, stingx. This string just prevented me from making a big mistake! It may be old hat to you....but my fountain of knowledge concerning anything Linux, isn't even a trickle yet. It is more like a thin mist!

SILVERPENGUIN 11-03-2003 01:50 PM

Thank you, Solspin. I guess a free distro is definitely not the way for me to go. Docs and support are not only wanted in my case, but absolutely necessary! ;)

joseph_1970 11-03-2003 02:16 PM

Yes, RH has to "stay in business", but the way a company goes about doing business from the cunsumer's perspective is mission critical. Was this in the business plan all along?

Build a base and the stick it to them because you have seemingly chagned your philosophy to one of a 'more' profit-based motivation?

Get enough money to make the improvements you want to make until your improvements have paid for you to now charge your bottom-line customers more money to continue using what they have paid for in more than just dollars? RH has been given something by each and every user. Promotion of their product translates into dollars, if one recognizes it or not. Not paying for the OS from the get go doesn't mean the RH company doesn't profit from giving it away as they did. The fact is, as we now see, they have profitted BIG. And, there seems to be a change in the companies way of seeing from the average-user/customer's perspective, imo.

In saying freebie crap, that's just not the case, imo. There is an entire community working on linux world wide, and that includes RH linux. The price of the migration is going to be similiar to Micrsoft OS pricing. So, the incentive now doesn't appear to be a cost one in using RH anymore.

There's a choice to be made of course, but there are choices to be made everyday when running a business. At this point, I don't know what choice I will be making, but am interested in hearing more your (everyone's) thoughts on this topic.

I too have mixed feeling at this point and don't have to make the choice today. The day is soon approaching though, and the debate and digging out of next steps for hundred's of thousdands of users is just starting.

-joseph

trickykid 11-03-2003 02:17 PM

And to think we have members here that send off an email to some Distribution's support team for help as they've paid for it and then they come here to ask the same question, to get an answer in less than 10 minutes but then getting the response back from the Distribution 3 days later.. ;)

I myself try to support Distibutions but not once ever needed support from them.. not when the Linux Communities have great sites like this site and many others that are willing to help out.

Cheers.

jsmarshall85 11-03-2003 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SILVERPENGUIN
Thank you, Solspin. I guess a free distro is definitely not the way for me to go. Docs and support are not only wanted in my case, but absolutely necessary! ;)
just about any distro you can buy in a packaged box comes with documentation and some type of support, be it email for 30 days or whatever. if i had to stop using RH9, i would switch to mandrake. mandrake is pretty much a clone of red hat anyway. any rpm you can use on red hat you can install on mandrade and have it work. it is easy to install and setup and comes with pretty good online support and a community subscription (like 20 bucks a year or something like that) to get priority support and downloads and updates.

SILVERPENGUIN 11-03-2003 03:18 PM

Oh, thanks, JS. However, now I'm almost back where I started. Although your favoring RH even after their announcement does say a lot to me, I still don't know which to use. ;) I just wish there was some way I could go to a store and try out each of them to get a feel for which one is better for me.

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Actually, come to think of it....Not once have I EVER contacted Microsoft for help on any of it's products. Trickykid is absolutely correct....When I'm in a bind, I seek help elsewhere, never from the vendor. Mainly because by the time they respond, I've already figured it out on my own via a book or places like this.

If I finally choose a Linux flavor, I get the feeling I'm going to be living here for a while. ;)

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Is there a flavor that is more likely to support my hardware? And, I am using MSN DSL at the moment. Will I have to switch back to cable,or will Linux be able to access their modem and system?

Bobmeister 11-03-2003 03:52 PM

Quote!

Actually, come to think of it....Not once have I EVER contacted Microsoft for help on any of it's products. Trickykid is absolutely correct....When I'm in a bind, I seek help elsewhere, never from the vendor. Mainly because by the time they respond, I've already figured it out on my own via a book or places like this.

Right-on, Brother.

For ME, the Fedora project will be a fine migration. And there is a documentation project going for that too. But I LOVE the comment about MS...seems like the REAL help is in the community...like right here!

So no matter which way people go with whatever distro....from a dirt cheap free one all the way to an enterprise version, I'm sure that there will be SOME kind of support.

Red Hat has been good to me...my first try at Linux and I'm still using it (although playing with others and trying BSD)...I'm hooked!

My "Hat" goes off to Red Hat for a great ride....


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