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Old 07-27-2011, 06:25 PM   #106
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Hey, "Senior Members", smart fellas, thousands of posts, yada, yada, yada, get a clue: My forum, my Rules.

I was never under any illusion that regulars here would ever be interested in my forum, probably too cerebral for you anyway. All those onerous, hard to understand rules, meh.

Copy and Paste? OMG, that's sooooo hard!
Its up to you, be better than Murga or not. With your behavior here when someone comes up with constructive criticism I doubt that you will be better. You are right: Your forum, your Rules, John Murga II.

Unsubscribing, putting on the ignore list and never joining your forum.

Have a nice life and fun with Linux and your forum.
 
Old 07-27-2011, 06:58 PM   #107
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EEER, I made 2 new pet files for pianobar from Debian Sid packages today (I have also posted fixes for pianobar for Puppy linux concerning faad in different versions of Puppy) and uploaded my pets to Murgas forum.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...62581&start=15

Below link page 2

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62975

I have no war against Murga or puppyite forum. But copy and paste is not going to cut it when it comes to uploading things like .sfs and .pet stuff. Seems like a link to said files on Murgas forum makes just common sense.

But I guess when it comes to hate. Common sense goes out the Window. I am not a developer or even a script kiddie. Just a country boy biker that shares.

It makes no sense to me either the no link stuff. Sounds like double the work. But

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My forum, my Rules.
So good luck with it.

Happy Trails, Rok

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Old 07-27-2011, 08:28 PM   #108
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With your behavior here when someone comes up with constructive criticism…
I believe if you (and others) looked into your soul and spoke truthfully you’d know this has everything to do with perceptions about me and nothing to do with “constructive criticism”.
 
Old 07-27-2011, 08:38 PM   #109
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What separates Puppy Linux Forum from that other “community” is that my forum has rules that can be read and understood by all.

Those poor people over there have been begging murga to post rules for years and they still have none, nor will they ever.

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Originally Posted by shariebeth

Rules do not mean a lack of freedom in what one says. Rather it defines behavior. In my eyes, it is simple:

1. Define unacceptable behavior.
-Is cursing allowed?
-Is hate talk allowed?
-Is advertising spam allowed?
-Is creating multiple accounts to spam a thread allowed?
-Is it acceptable to edit one's own posts and remove the content?

2. Define consequences for unacceptable behavior.
-Might your posts or threads get deleted? (With explanation)
-Might your posts or threads get edited? (With explanation)
-Might you be removed from these forums?

We have an unspoken set of rules, again muddy for most. People are confused why some things are removed (which leads me to believe we already don't have "free speech") and others let stand.?

I don't think people are so much concerned about where the lines in the sand are drawn, but that they are drawn clearly and apply equally to everyone.
I rest my case.

Last edited by puppyite; 07-27-2011 at 08:40 PM.
 
Old 07-27-2011, 08:55 PM   #110
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But I guess when it comes to hate. Common sense goes out the Window...
This isn’t about hate. It’s about trying to do things better. It’s about fairness and equality.

I’ve spent every waking hour since I started this thread trying to address things that seem wrong to me. If all I thought I could do was mimic murga I wouldn’t waste my time, there would be no Puppy Linux Forum.
 
Old 07-28-2011, 01:34 AM   #111
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This isn’t about hate. It’s about trying to do things better. It’s about fairness and equality.
Really? All I could understand after reading the rule about not posting any link of the Murga fora was, "I HATE Murga Fora, anyone mentioning its name here will be shot dead!". This shows the unprofessional attitude, and you won't get any quality members with these kind of senseless rules.

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Apparently my rules are not so onerous or misguided as to put people off from joining because I have 3 new members this morning.
And what makes you think that those newbies had actually read the rules before joining? If the newbies start reading the rules before posting, most mods will be out of the job then.

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I believe if you (and others) looked into your soul and spoke truthfully you’d know this has everything to do with perceptions about me and nothing to do with “constructive criticism”.
I realize now, I shouldn't have wasted my time reading all those rules of yours and pointing out the faulty ones.

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My forum, my Rules
With this attitude you can't setup an empire that lasts long.
I am out.

Last edited by TheIndependentAquarius; 07-28-2011 at 02:35 AM.
 
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Old 07-28-2011, 05:26 AM   #112
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here's what jumps out at me
http://www.puppylinuxforum.org/misc....ion=help&hid=8
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Main Mission Statement

This forum serves four main purposes:

Ask for help with Puppy Linux
Give help for Puppy Linux
Discuss the future of Puppy Linux
Personal, friendly, noncombative, non-technical communication
this part in particular
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Discuss the future of Puppy Linux
in a nutshell
-here is an option
-you have a say
-you can expect a theme of rules and order vs anything goes
-let's get the show on the road and talk about it

some of you may not have experience with rules and order but my experience is it separates the men from the boys

it is very common with folks who are serious about what they do

working with rules and order doesn't concern me in the least but no doubt will not appeal to all

given a choice, i prefer order with a focus over disorder,

this forum has rules and order which is the first thing that was brought to my attention when i came in and shot my mouth off without reading the rules

this forum also has formidable numbers that shows results

Last edited by jonyo; 07-28-2011 at 05:58 AM.
 
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Old 07-28-2011, 05:34 AM   #113
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@ Anisha Kaul
Yea I get it, you and others graced me with the benefit of your sage advice which was (euphemistically) characterized as constructive criticism wherein I was told how unworkable my ideas were, how impractical such things as copy and paste are and how it “significantly” reduces the worth of my forum. No wonder you’re all so upset about having “wasted” your time on me.

Why don’t you be honest, you don’t like what I stand for. I’m different, I buck the system, I don’t accept the status quo, I do things differently and you don’t like it, that’s what’s really eating you.

Since you think I’m so unprofessional for not permitting people to mention murga’s forum on my forum here’s an example of a similar rule I found on the net:

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It is our policy that no mention of, link or referral to (including referral through a third party), advertisement or promotion of, or recruitment for, the forums known as “____”
Google is your friend Anisha.

About personalities and rules? People don’t visit murga’s forum because they like him, if that were the case he’d have no members, ditto for his nonexistent rules.

I’m trying to offer a clear alternative but that’s not good enough in some peoples minds. Or they’d like to pretend it’s not.
 
Old 07-28-2011, 06:59 AM   #114
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Discuss the future of Puppy Linux
I didn’t spell out how this part works because I assumed people would read Specific Mission Statement and Rules in that part of my forum and figure it out on their own. Is this a good assumption? The jury is still out.

FWIW here is my thinking on how to achieve the goal:

The reason I created a forum to discuss the Future of Puppy Linux is a developer pointed out a need for as he called it “A single voice to speak for Puppy” a.k.a. PLUG. This idea arose from an earlier call by me (before murga’s temp a.k.a. perm ban) for a “Seat At The Table” for average users wherein they could have an equal voice about not only the direction Puppy Linux might take but also what form it might take. This idea was summarily rejected and I was set upon by forum regulars who saw me as an antichrist.

But I still see a need for this and to achieve that goal I set aside a part of my forum titled “Polls Forum”.

My thought was that people would create polls to let other members vote on and thus demonstrate the popularity of their ideas. I hoped developers would come to my forum, read the results of those polls and maybe act on what they saw.

I purposefully omitted creating an area for open discussion about this topic for fear that it would devolve into the cacophony of discordant voices visible in the “Suggestions” part of murga’s forum. The very same Suggestions method that was decried by the developer who stated that a single voice to represent users was needed because developers don’t have time to “winnow the wheat from the chaff” concerning users needs.

So you tell me, is it better to limit freedom of expression to just polls in order to achieve the goal or would a “free for all” open discussion area about the Future of Puppy Linux be better?
 
Old 07-28-2011, 07:47 AM   #115
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I didn’t spell out how this part works because I assumed people would read Specific Mission Statement and Rules in that part of my forum and figure it out on their own. Is this a good assumption? The jury is still out.
who knows, folks had plenty of time to chime in here and and no point in just sitting on this thread

so now there is something to look at and work with

the intent and topic of this thread was "suggestions requested" which ran its course

now, the forums are up and the nitty gritty of "the future of puppy linux" will be hashed out somewhere else, where it belongs, by anyone interested

i doubt that anyone knows how this all might play out until folks just get involved and start talking about it

i don't see any point in getting bent outa shape at this point, waaay too early in the game and stuff will likely only be sorted in the forums by those interested

yes, your forum and your rules, but members ultimately decide one way or another..

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4401526
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To say that feedback has been absolutely critical to our success is an understatement. With that in mind, I'd like to collect as much feedback as possible about LQ. What are we doing well and where can we improve? What new features or sections would you like to see? What should we be doing differently? Let us know your thoughts ...
so, for anyone interested, time to get the show on the road and sort out what its about

then go from there

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Old 07-28-2011, 11:46 AM   #116
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So you tell me, is it better to limit freedom of expression to just polls in order to achieve the goal or would a “free for all” open discussion area about the Future of Puppy Linux be better?
What? No sagely advice about this? Not even an opinion? This is easy, you don’t even have to justify you opinion, just say yes or no if you like.
 
Old 07-28-2011, 12:38 PM   #117
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What? No sagely advice about this? Not even an opinion? This is easy, you don’t even have to justify you opinion, just say yes or no if you like.
free for all with polls to settle issues works for me, i wasn't interested in what whodo had to say and didn't follow that topic, or know much about it
 
Old 07-28-2011, 07:46 PM   #118
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Thumbs up

More members joined tonight. At this rate it'll soon be positively crowded at Puppy Linux Forum
 
Old 07-29-2011, 05:26 AM   #119
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What? No sagely advice about this? Not even an opinion? This is easy, you don’t even have to justify you opinion, just say yes or no if you like.
to elaborate, given what computer bob has had to say about whodo, that i think is well known, but if not i can provide a link, along with my own recent personal experiences with him over at puppyland, I have zero interest in what he has to say, or might dream up next

the whole saga of what unfolded when he led the 4x fiasco and embarrassment also speaks volumes

as far as not linking to the murga site from a new forum, given what's on the net about that forum and has been for years, that alone is reason enuff or a rational why not to go there for me

not to mention my own personal experiences there

edit - here's the link
http://www.computerbob.com/wp/helpin...ors-part-8.php

this issue came up there recently by many, but was completely purged from the forums, a forum that was led until recently by words (that can still be linked to) to the effect that "any deletion of posts by a mod is held to account"

..ya, sure, tell us about it

the purging might as well have been a lame attempt at re-writing history and known facts that are still out there, that some were trying to address

and coming up with a lame story or version of events, for the naive or gullible, while the known facts are still out there starting them in the face

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Old 07-29-2011, 06:19 AM   #120
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Exclamation Why links to murga's forum forbidden on www.puppylinuxforum.org

Thus far I have not yet fully explained why I have this rule in my Main Mission Statement and Rules:

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Links to or mention of murga-linux.com is forbidden.
The reason for this rule is that if I were to permit members of Puppy Linux Forum to link to murga’s forum there is a risk that instead of answering questions in my forum people might instead link to an answer on his forum. If I allow this to happen the chances that Puppy Linux Forum could replace murga’s forum might be diminished.

And I have every intention of replacing that forum.
 
  


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