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Old 06-28-2006, 05:03 PM   #1
Lord Hakk
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What makes linux good for hacking?


I have this book about hacking(to stop a hacker you have to think like one) and It says somthing about people prefering Linux for hacking, whats up with that?
 
Old 06-28-2006, 05:20 PM   #2
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Please stop propagating the misuse of the word "hacker". Here is a bit of good reading.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
 
Old 06-28-2006, 05:27 PM   #3
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Im sorry If ive offended you, but Im talking about but Im talking about the "hacker" definition that the rest of the ignorant world uses. I know a hacker is someone who likes to learn and stuff like that. But im talking about the hackers that use there computer skills for the worst. Not the other definition of "hacker".
 
Old 06-28-2006, 07:41 PM   #4
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Then use the term "cracker" and not continue to defame the name of "hacker".

Anyway, crackers use Linux to crack for the same reason that hackers use Linux to hack: absolute control of your box, and that programming for windows is brain-dead and programming for *nix uses the KISS philosophy to prevent that.
 
Old 06-28-2006, 07:57 PM   #5
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okay I will use the term cracker but I used the term hacker because most people in amaerica think of hackers as people who break into computers and steal credit card #'s and stuff I was saying hackers so those poeple would know what I was talking about.
what do u mean when u say Window programing is brain dead?and what is the KISS philosiphy?
 
Old 06-28-2006, 08:12 PM   #6
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Give it a rest..

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Originally Posted by tuxdev
Then use the term "cracker" and not continue to defame the name of "hacker".
. Doesn't look like the definition of hacker is set in stone.

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Originally Posted by Princeton University
hacker

n 1: someone who plays golf poorly 2: a programmer who breaks into computer systems in order to steal or change or destroy information as a form of cyber-terrorism [syn: cyber-terrorist, cyberpunk] 3: a programmer for whom computing is its own reward; may enjoy the challenge of breaking into other computers but does no harm; "true hackers subscribe to a code of ethics and look down upon crackers" 4: one who works hard at boring tasks [syn: hack, drudge]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

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Old 06-28-2006, 09:47 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdev
Please stop propagating the misuse of the word "hacker".
Let it go man. Let it go.

From www.dictionary.com:
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hack·er
n. Informal

1. One who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff.
2. One who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a computer network or file.
3. One who enthusiastically pursues a game or sport: a weekend tennis hacker.
From www.m-w.com (Merriam-Webster):
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One entry found for hacker.
Main Entry: hack·er
Pronunciation: 'ha-k&r
Function: noun
1 : one that hacks
2 : a person who is inexperienced or unskilled at a particular activity <a tennis hacker>
3 : an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer
4 : a person who illegally gains access to and sometimes tampers with information in a computer system
From dictionary.cambridge.org:
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hack (COMPUTING)
verb [I usually + adverb or preposition]
to get into someone else's computer system without permission in order to find out information or do something illegal:
Computer hacking has become very widespread over the last decade.
A programmer had managed to hack into some top-secret government data.

hacker
noun [C] (ALSO computer hacker)
someone who hacks into other people's computer systems
In fact, here's the language in a printed dictionary published in 1996 (Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language published by Gramercy Books (subdivision of Random House) - ISBN #: 0-517-15026-3):
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hack·er
n.
1. a person or thing that hacks
2. Slang. a person who engages in an activity without talent or skill: weekend hackers on the golf course
3. Computers Slang. a. a computer enthusiast. b. a microcomputer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems.
The term means both; it's meant both for at least a decade. Continuing to say "No, everybody is wrong" sounds like a kid in middle school arguing to get a cooler nickname.
 
Old 06-28-2006, 10:00 PM   #8
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The terms hacker and cracker used to be well defined but ignorant Americans have mutilated the meaning of Hacker so that it means cracker. However most true programmers know the correct terms and there can be some confusion using Hacker so it best to either avoid the term or use the correct term cracker. Using hacker in the programming section of this forum is bound to lead to confusion. The word has been polluted just like the word gay has been polluted. Gay used to mean "happy" now it only means Homosexual.
 
Old 06-28-2006, 10:55 PM   #9
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all crackers are hackers but the opposite is not neccessarily true, though they possesses the skill and can turn themselves ugly anytime.
 
Old 06-28-2006, 11:04 PM   #10
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I would suggest one reason is that traditionally Unix and thus Linux has better tools for understanding a system, and the network. As a very simple example I will use ethereal to get some information on the traffic flow within my network. For example it has helped me to identify the source machines of certain viruses. This program is available on windows but the original was built for *nix.
Using the same tool (ethereal) I can also use it to snoop on people's network conversations, such as which web sites they go to and specifically (if it is not an encrypted site) which user id and password they use.
Hence the blurring of the borders between using the technology for good and for dubious means.
 
Old 06-29-2006, 12:15 AM   #11
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You realise all the hackers, the ones that gain unauthorized access to various computer systems either burst in laughter or pity you when they hear the whole "crackers vs hacker" stuff. I don't know why everyone keeps quoting ESR. To me, he seems like a self-absorbed idiot who likes to put himself at the same level as Linus and RMS for no good reason. Stop listening to ESR. Stop b!tching about using "cracker" instead of "hacker". Stop making a fool of yourself. Since when is being able to break into computer systems a thing to be ashamed of [relating to the whole "defame the name of hacker" thing]? Give me a fscking break.
 
Old 06-29-2006, 09:57 AM   #12
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i would completely agree with graemef.. the availability of useful tools in nix is a huge plus. there are alot of good tools out there for windows as well but not nearly the number.. an additional bonus is the fact that nix comes with most if not all of these tools by default. and there is also the simple fact that linux is better than windows for most if not all things that would relate to hacking a system.

as for the ridiculous bickering over hacker v cracker. i know of multiple definitions for hacker, and i have always known a cracker to be someone who breaks software, such as in the warez scene.. and then a hacker can be either someone like me who hacks away at code until it works (nonmalicious), or someone far smarter than me who can break into other systems using things that i read about but still dont fully understand (possibly with malicious intent, but not necessarily). and then there is a hacker on a basketball court, someone who cant jump very well and always claims to have gotten all ball. when in reality they manage to swat at your elbow.

by considering the *context* of the converstion hacker is used in, i avoid the utter embarassement of blurting out during a basketball game "Hacker? I resent that usage, he is not a hacker, he is a fouler, a hacker is someone who... blah blah blah .. you should go to http colon slash slash blablabla dot com and find out what you are talking about."

yeh im glad i avoid that, because i would look like an idiot for sure.
 
Old 06-29-2006, 10:11 AM   #13
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I think half the reason hackers prefer linux is because there is a general belief that "real hackers use linux." So of course, all those people who want to set up their image as a "hacker" are going to have get linux, otherwise they're just not a "real" hacker. It could also be that people who get kicks out of poking and proding in other people's systems, like to do the same to their own Linux has some great tools, but you can find equivalents in Windows.

The word hacker has definately changed since the 70s. Many words don't mean the same thing they originally did. Languages need to be "butchered" to keep up w/ the times, there is a reason we don't speak old english anymore! Americans have added tons of words to the english language, and changed much of it as well. They also account for a large portion of english speaking population of the world (native tounge). Old does not necessarily mean Good
 
Old 06-29-2006, 12:56 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by nlinecomputers
The terms hacker and cracker used to be well defined but ignorant Americans have mutilated the meaning of Hacker so that it means cracker. However most true programmers know the correct terms and there can be some confusion using Hacker so it best to either avoid the term or use the correct term cracker. Using hacker in the programming section of this forum is bound to lead to confusion. The word has been polluted just like the word gay has been polluted. Gay used to mean "happy" now it only means Homosexual.
exactly, exept it's not just us americans its everyone whos ignorant.(nice signature by the way..)
 
Old 06-29-2006, 12:57 PM   #15
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all crackers are hackers but the opposite is not neccessarily true, though they possesses the skill and can turn themselves ugly anytime.
just like "every sniper is a marksman but not all marksmen are snipers".
 
  


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