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Old 01-09-2003, 06:09 PM   #46
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off topic, but how do you say "posh" in the states?
 
Old 01-09-2003, 07:04 PM   #47
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We don't. "Fancy" I guess comes closest. Imagine some drunk redneck saying "Them some fancy words you got goin' there"
 
Old 01-09-2003, 08:23 PM   #48
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Ok... I'm italian... so english is kind of my second language. so... this slang talk is driving me crazy... I try to understand words by the context... for example... after that dictionary quote (BTW.. instead of code you could hve used quote) the word posh could only mean one thing (fancy is the closest english word I can think of... perthaps because lackluster did).

Abour limewire... I think it sucks... (excuse my french) but it's not a good software. It would be intresting to use that network for it is already an established network... then all we'll have to do would be creating a good enough linux client (and a windoze version). we could also try to connect to the giFT network and we would increase pur users considerably... don't know if taht is possible... but... it doesn't harm to dream!!

Have fun.
 
Old 01-10-2003, 08:03 AM   #49
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Well, let's end this thread then. Should we say whoever's intrested should email their address to you, Ciccio, and we start communicating that way?

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Abour limewire... I think it sucks... (excuse my french) but it's not a good software. It would be intresting to use that network for it is already an established network... then all we'll have to do would be creating a good enough linux client (and a windoze version). we could also try to connect to the giFT network and we would increase pur users considerably... don't know if taht is possible... but... it doesn't harm to dream!!
yes, combining as many networks as possible is a good idea here .... if feasible.
 
Old 01-10-2003, 03:18 PM   #50
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Ok, again (and last) MY e-mail is 333101@personal.net.py and PLEASE write something in the subject regarding this thread.

Live the Life
 
Old 01-11-2003, 12:24 AM   #51
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ok you win

ok you got me in...... im on it
ask what you need..... C/c++ basics...... linux basics..... html, js... what else...

WinSock protocols


smoky
 
Old 01-11-2003, 12:54 AM   #52
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Ok, smoky... nice to see you.

Thanks for the winsock protols... but I'm thinking somethin a little more complex right now. C/C++ basics is way too genereal... perhaps deep C. html??? are you planning on using a m$.net interface??? it's XML anyway. Java is not a good programming language... and JS is just for web design.

I'm not sure if there is anyone who know all we'd need... but we can always learn. For start, C programming is essential... you need understand how the OS works... not just how to program...

I assume you'll be doing the windows interface... no offense but you are newbier than me on linux (adn that is pretty damn newbie)

Anyway... Everyone: If you want to participate Just send me an e-mail (I've posted it 2 times and it's in my profile) so I can record your address and add it to the mail group (I want a mail list... but I'm too lazi to register one )

Now... something I didn't think about was... the name!!! I'm eager to get suggestions... (If i don't get I'll just generate a random word... perhaps it will be something like asoivbnqon... and it's dat would be asoivbnqon###################.dat )

Smoky: >>ok you win<<??? Come on!!! I expected a little more resistance... If I'm not mistaken this would be the firs... <<Che pton!!! completa el profile!!!>>

Poeple!!! get counted

Ok... I have schatoor's and lackluster's mails... is that it??? (and also smoky's) Will we be enough to develop this software??? will we be ablo to create both linux and windows clients???

Does anyone want to be the webmaster??? I Just use HTML and CSS... and very little JS...

BTW... in the first page of the thread... there are two users... Mephisto and Azrael... are those some mithical characters (I know mephisto is... but azrael??)... Because they are used as names of shivan warship classes... Excuse the off topic... I'm just playing this game.
 
Old 01-11-2003, 02:26 AM   #53
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Java is not a good programming language.
Considering the millions of people who use java, that statement is a bit ridiculous especially coming from someone who has already admitted they're not that experiened in programming. Certainly C/C++ are faster but they're not portable. You can take away Java's portability and compile it straight to machine code using GCJ and make it faster. Portability comes at a price.

I don't mean to sound critical, but what exactly are you guys planning on creating? A p2p client, a new protocol? It's not really clear from your posts. I suggest you figure out what it is you want to create before you even consider what language you are going to implement it in. You mention that Limewire isn't good software. Why isn't it good, and how is your program going to be better? I think if you sit down and take the time to figure out what you want to create and what you're goals are, you'll save yourself some time in the long run.

Good Luck
 
Old 01-11-2003, 02:56 AM   #54
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Ok, since it will be a client for linux and a client for windows I think C will be best. Perhaps C++... but I'm not sure.

I'm not experienced in programming, but I do know something about these things. I know millions of people use Java... but even more millons use windows... and I think that we all agree that the only GOOD windows is 2000. Anyway, what comes to linux programming... I think the best would be C... since we need to make it open source and compilable in any kernel. As for windows... Ok, I'm sure Java could work... but since we are making the whole thing in C (because the main project would be the linux Client) I think it would be more logical to have it in C AND if we intent to do it open source we could always release the windows code and get some help (or get stolen).

About Java... I apologiza, that statement was not right. it should have been something more like I think Java is not a good programming language, because comming from Sun you can't expect much. BTW, Comparing sun servers with compaq's or IBM's you'll see why i think sun is sooooooo bad. Besides, there is way more documentation on C and it's just more standard.

Anyway... there are many things you can't do withi Java... and I know what you can do with C. I have just one question for you. why is linux kernel written in C and not in Java? I think that if you can answer that you'll know why I think C is better by default.

My plans are to develop a Linux client that can connect to both, giFT and Kazaa. And after (or while anyway) develop the same thing but for windows. The nedw protocol was just an Idea, nothing real... you know... developing a whole new secure protocol would be something realy hard... I don't know if any of us is skilled enough to do something like that.

I think this is something 'very green' (local expression... I doubt it's used anywhere else in the world... it means it's too new yet) And that we will have to sean for hours planning this. For start we should state what are our skills and what are we willing to do... because I don't know if any of us has the necesary programming skill to do this. If we don't... we can learn.

If you have any good documentation on java, please let us know...

I don't like limewire... I'm sorry, that is just a personal opinion... I can't sustain it... it's just that I don't like it. As i don't like KaZaA.

Can I assume that you are familiar with Java... perhaps you could help us.

Thanks for your constructive critics.

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Old 01-11-2003, 04:02 AM   #55
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yea, that's what i use, LimeWire
 
Old 01-11-2003, 06:54 AM   #56
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oulevon makes a good point. I don't know if you got my mail Ciccio, but I to asked you what it is you excactally want. If you are serios on this project, think the hole thing trough and mail me.

"My plans are to develop a Linux client that can connect to both, giFT and Kazaa"

That's way to superficial. The choise of a programing language comes when you exactally know what my want to do. And before you can even write a single line of code, you will have to do some research. How does the giFT protocall work? How do protocall work in general? ect .. .
Then when you have done that, it's time to write a test app. Something to test your new leard knowledge with.
All in all, it's going to take a long time before you have something even remotly usefull.
 
Old 01-11-2003, 11:30 AM   #57
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Ciccio,

I wasn't trying to be negative. I was just trying to raise some points. As to your question, why the linux kernel isn't written in Java? Well I think the most appropriate answer would probably be since Java wasn't released until 1994. There are obviously other reasons, but I think you are superficially dismissing Java because of speed issues. Consider this though, write a program with a linked- list that you can traverse both ways, and you can add and take away nodes. Write it in Java and compile it in with GCJ to machine code. Now write the same program and C, and let me know how many times longer the C program is.

Personallly, I would write the application in C, but if I wanted to write something that could be run under a Mac, Windows, LInux, Unix , and didn't want to write it 4 times, I'd have to consider Java. And to your comment of comparing Java with Windows, well, there are many programming languages to choose from, but there aren't many operating systems. You're kidding yourself if you think Sun is forcing Java on the rest of the world.

By the way, I just want to make this clear - I would write the program in C or C++. I was just trying to raise the point that Java isn't a bad programming language, and if you're developing an application that you want to run on different platforms, theny you'd have to consider it. As to my defense of LImeWire - I think it's good software, (It's outperformed GTK-Gnutella on my computer), I just want to know what you didn't like about it, and how you were going to improve on it. There's no right or wrong answer, I was just trying to help you guys establish what it is you want from a client.

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Old 01-11-2003, 02:28 PM   #58
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Ok, now slow down. This may be a good project but you all have good points. I know there is mucho for me to learn yet. Now... about limewire... I've had some problems with it and that is why I don't like it. I know it's not a good reason, but I'm very pickie on what comes to software.

I send an e-mail requesting to state your abilities so I can decide what to do. You know usually in a development the programmers adjust to the needs of the project... now I'm thinking that since it's a low profile project we should adjust it to our knowdlege.

 
  


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